Possibly I misunderstood? You wrote, "I think we can kill the in-line
TOC" which I interpreted to mean: you suggest removing the ToC that
currently appears in all articles (with more than 3 sections), in favour
of *just* a drop-down menu ToC.
This would be a problem because articles are intended to have clear and
insightful ToCs, that appear near the top, and provide mental structure
(for the reader) for what follows, as well as instant navigation to
lower sections.
Eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._2_Operational_Conversion_Unit_RAAF
or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_%28constellation%29
(two recent FAs)
Eg2. I'll often go to a musician's article, read the intro/infobox, and
then click the "Discography" link in the ToC.
Additionally, people tend to not find hidden things. If the ToCs are
only available in hidden form (an icon), most readers will never *ever*
see them.
I like the current Winter setup, which has the ToC-icon in the
fixed-header, and the ToC-icon within the in-line ToC.
I'm curious about the potential for placing the ToC into the lefthand
sidebar, once the user scrolls down. (Like a PDF ToC)
Quiddity.
On 14-01-21 04:03 PM, Jared Zimmerman wrote:
not sure I follow…
Moving the TOC doesn't affect its structure…
Change the process for getting to a subheading, from 1-move-and-click to
2-moves-and-2-clicks
I assume by 1-move you mean, scroll past the lead paragraph, then click
on a section of the toc?
in the prototype, you click (or we could make it hover) which would mean
no moves, 1 click, so faster than the current state of things, also we
get the bonus of it being available anywhere, not just at the top of an
article.
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 3:45 PM, quiddity <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Jared Zimmerman
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Looking good, some feedback…
* I think we should explore putting Watch and TOC together, or
at least associating them more closely.
* tipsy being to the left of, covers the other icons, I'm not
sure if we even need it, perhaps we could just rely on
regular browser tooltips.
* I think that moving the TOC icon over should be animated,
currently the snap makes me look up, and is a bit
distracting, the opposite of what we want.
* I think we can kill the in-line TOC
That would be problematic. It would:
* Make it impossible to get a sense of the article structure, at a
glance. (eg. Enwiki's WP:Features article criteria 2b
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FA%3F> and any good FA
example.)
* Change the process for getting to a subheading, from
1-move-and-click to 2-moves-and-2-clicks
* You can't currently scroll the TOC flyout
* Idea : highlight the current section in the TOC flyout
* when language list is not collapsable the left sidebar take
a long time to go away
Pau's proposal should solve that.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features/New_Features#Better_Interlanguage_Links
* Placeholder text and user input is not aligned with each
other in search box
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On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM, May Tee-Galloway
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Added my comments on mediawiki.
@Steven:
No matter how much anyone doesn't like the globe including
myself, it's a huge part of Wikipedia's brand like you
mentioned and shouldn't be wiped out just for the sake of
our personal preference. We should improve and not trash it.
Even if we trashed it and replaced with something else, we
still need SOMETHING people can relate to in regards to the
project. Why do this when people already relate the globe as
Wikipedia. Wabi sabi wasabi man.
mm
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Steven Walling
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Brandon Harris
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hello!
I’ve been making a thing. It’s actually
got a code-name now! No more saying “Vector static
header and navigation modification”.
LOTS of stuff going on with this update.
Notably:
* Now asks for a username on load,
so as to set things up
* All pages are loaded from the API
via JSON. So it’s not just the single static page.
* Got rid of pretty much every color.
* Article actions now dock in the
header as you scroll.
* Table of Contents is now in the
header from the beginning
* The sidebar’s border goes away as
you scroll past it
* Lots of links/actions do what you
think they should. Most do not.
You can play with it here:
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
And read more about it here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter
\o/
The search prototype is great, and so are the
improvements to the toolbar, particularly the relation
between the TOC and the way the page actions slide out
on scrolldown. I can't wait to see this as a beta feature.
Some very small things:
- I realize the icons are mostly placeholders, but the
user contribs one is seriously confusing. It looks like
there are two edit buttons when you scroll down.
- I think the main edit button at the top should not be
the quiet state from mw-ui. There is very little use of
color on the skin now, so it's not like we're
overwhelming things. We need to stop being afraid to
make a few things LOUDER, particularly since in this
prototype we're removing some color (like the Vector
borders).
- The line underneath the page title h1 is a different
thickness (and color?) than the other borders. It's
mildly annoying.
And one bigger thing... The lack of the puzzle globe
when scrolling. I know you hate the puzzle globe and so
do many of our designers. But it's a key part of our
identity, and it's also a really nice large target for
"home" on desktop. Thinking of this as a potential
future default look, splitting the logo and wordmark on
every page like that is a serious change. We should have
a larger conversation about it I think internally.
Either we do think the globe is an important part of our
brand or we don't. If we think it's so unimportant as to
remove it on scroll, then that has pretty wide
implications for our branding I think.
Winter is coming, (I couldn't resist the Game of Thrones
reference.)
--
Steven Walling,
Product Manager
https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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