For section highlighting, I would say it is the section that is visible and
topmost on the screen. When a section header hits the fixed header it
becomes the current section as far as the TOC is concerned.



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On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brandon Harris <[email protected]>wrote:

>
>         Replies to a couple folks, in-line.
>
> On Jan 20, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Steven Walling <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I think the main edit button at the top should not be the quiet state
> from mw-ui. There is very little use of color on the skin now, so it's not
> like we're overwhelming things. We need to stop being afraid to make a few
> things LOUDER, particularly since in this prototype we're removing some
> color (like the Vector borders).
>
>         So, I tried it with the main edit being blue and it was *crazy*
> loud.  The most-important thing in the page loud.  So I made it quiet and
> it looked better.
>
>         Now, this speaks to the larger problem we’re trying to solve:
>  user awareness of the edit button.
>
>         We know that Vector’s tab layout has trained people to pretty much
> ignore the tabs, so they don’t see the edit tab (tab blindness, call it).
>  By pulling the tabs into the main content area, we are working to solve
> that - to bind the actions directly to the content they affect.
>
>         Currently the tab blindness causes people to not know they can
> edit, so we have fewer editors.
>
>         I think think that making the edit link loud will definitely
> *increase* overall edits (in fact, I’ll stake my job on it), but I think it
> will result in a radical increase of *bad* edits as well.  Too many “kick
> the tires” vandalisms, maybe.
>
>         It’s definitely something we can test, though.
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Jared Zimmerman <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> >       • I think we should explore putting Watch and TOC together, or at
> least associating them more closely.
>
>         In this case, I’d pull the Watch icon from the sub-bar and just
> leave it in the header always.
>
>         However, I’m not sure this is the best plan (discussed below).
>
>
> >       • tipsy being to the left of, covers the other icons, I'm not sure
> if we even need it, perhaps we could just rely on regular browser tooltips.
>
>         Yeah, I put them to the left because they were obscuring the TOC
> when done below.  I think we can deal with this discoverability fairly
> easily.
>
> >       • I think that moving the TOC icon over should be animated,
> currently the snap makes me look up, and is a bit distracting, the opposite
> of what we want.
>
>         More difficult than you think.  You’re asking for an ease-in on a
> thing that already has a defined width.  I’ll see what can happen, though.
>
> >       • I think we can kill the in-line TOC
>
>         Disagree.  I think people expect it, per-Quiddity.
>
> >       • You can't currently scroll the TOC flyout
>
>         Fixed.
>
> >       • Idea : highlight the current section in the TOC flyout
>
>         Problematic.  What is the “current section”?  What if there are,
> like, 5 visible sections?  Is the highlighted section the h3, the h4, or
> the h2?
>
> >       • when language list is not collapsable the left sidebar take a
> long time to go away
>
>         Languages are open by default so we should design with that in
> mind.  I’ve added toggles for the sections, though.
>
> >       • Placeholder text and user input is not aligned with each other
> in search box
>
>         I’m not seeing that.  The input sits in the exact space for me.
>
>
>         RE: Page actions moving into the header: (This is me collecting my
> comments from a meeting to this list)
>
>         As I mentioned in yesterday’s design review, my gut instinct is
> that moving article actions into the header is the wrong path:
>
>                         * I don’t think they’re needed up there. People
> already scroll to the top when they need these functions.
>                         * I think it conflates those actions with the
> “personal bar” actions and creates confusion.  A primary motivation for
> Winter is to segregate the following types of actions:  Site actions
> (sidebar chrome), Content actions (page stuff), and Personal actions (user
> stuff).  The search box is a site affordance.  The personal actions are
> obviously thus.  Mixing article actions next to the personal actions seems
> weird to me.
>                         * The point of discussion being always available
> is a valid one - the use case being, “I’m in this section, and I see an
> error, and I want to talk about it”.  However, I don’t necessarily think
> that dumping the user into the “master” talk page at any point is going to
> solve that.  A long time ago I had the idea to add a “discuss” link next to
> the section edit links.  This would target the specific section and create
> a new discussion with that title (or find an existing one) and work within
> that.  This is obviously something that can easily be done with Flow
> (though my original thoughts were with LQT).  I’m not sure it works well
> with Talk.  This is something I’ll want to experiment with.
>
>         Whuff.
>
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