Agree with Jeff. I will address another question that was raised, I
think by Chris, below. I think it was aggressive, not characteristic to
him, so let's say he deserves an honest answer.
First off, I am not sure what your definition of contributions to the
project is. I am also curious what level of contributions is sufficient
for you, so one can gain your respect and have a civil conversation. The
question itself reflects either ignorance of how the ASF works and the
Apache Way, or ignorance of what I do. Or frustration, let's go with that.
Let's say that my contributions to the foundation itself don't count (I
probably have more than all of you together). If my memory serves me
well in the past 2 maybe 3 years I am the only one who presented on
ActiveMQ at ApacheCon (with Jamie Goodyear once) and other conferences.
That's community building, that's something you should do for Artemis.
Does that count?
Let's take Bruce, who's a dear friend. Not a lot of code contributions
to ActiveMQ (you should check). But you know what, back in 2005-2007 he
was the most passionate evangelist for ActiveMQ and the project wouldn't
be what it is without him. Seriously. He helped many early adopters be
wowed by what ActiveMQ could do. I would love to provide concrete
examples (public info), just ask.
I did slow down the code contributions, true, but that doesn't make me
less actively involved in the project, actually probably even more,
because, like Art, Jeff, Jamie (and many others who are not committers
in spite of more contributions than some current committers) we continue
driving adoption of ActiveMQ.
What I hope you all will understand is that users/companies made huge
investments in ActiveMQ. Your role is to protect, not trash this
investment (by creating the confusion you complain about). You need to
prove the viability of Artemis via adoption, growing the community and
providing an effective migration path (ideally drop in replacement) for
ActiveMQ to aspire to be called AMQ6.
Food for thought,
Hadrian
On 12/07/2017 10:07 AM, jgenender wrote:
Hadrian, +1, and very well said. I had a response ready to go, but you
summed up the most parts. I will fill in a few holes...
Everyone is here because they contributed and have some form of blood,
sweat, and tears in this project. Clamoring around and saying you are
better because you did a CVE or whatever, is hidden words for "I get paid to
work on open source... you don't so I can make the decisions and you have no
right". Thats offensive. Because guess what? Once Bruce, me, Hadrian,
Arthur, and many others DID get paid to work on ActiveMQ and we DO care
about this project, even when we weren't paid.
