> -----Original Message----- > From: Farr, Aaron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:57 AM > To: 'Avalon Developers List' > Subject: RE: Technical Concerns over AF4.2 > > I don't mind the change to include more than just the > framework (or more than just breakfast in your example). My > concern is that the new site sends this message: > > "Avalon. It's not just the framework anymore. In fact, you > can't even find the framework anymore. And if you do, we'll > yell at you." > > That is, our "Orange Juice" site doesn't even have a > breakfast section. It as if we're trying to hide the fact > that breakfast exists. > > I may be an Avalon developer, but I'm also an Avalon user and > I'm trying to explain these things from a user perspective. > The feelings I get from the responses here on the mailing > list can be summarized as: > > "Bad user! Bad user! Don't use the framework. In fact, > there is no framework. There never was a framework. Now, > let's take you over to the correctional facility and we'll > re-educate you on the proper use of our product." > > We are disenfranchising a large section of our *current* user > base by simply removing all reference to the framework as a > standalone library. That section includes me. So please > understand if I personally feel disenfranchised. >
I agree that we shouldn't make current users feel disenfranchised, but we can do that in such a way that doesn't promote the framework as an Avalon product. That was the reason for all my traffic this morning. There must be another way than what has been flaming over the dev and pmc lists the last few days. And the essence of that message should be (IMO) here's the framework (and the other parts for that matter -- like repo being married with the Depot guys) -- understand that it's not a product anymore, won't be promoted as one anymore, here's how we envision its use in the new Avalon container/component world -- we think it will ultimately benefit you more than ever before, and we hope you come join us for the next era in the Avalon ride. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
