> -----Original Message----- > From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 September 2004 04:49 > To: Avalon Developers List > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer > > On Sunday 26 September 2004 07:24, David Leangen wrote: > > > The main reason that I am so impressed with this project--and have > > committed myself to it now by refactoring my entire project to use the > > current version of Avalon--is mostly thanks to the incredible support > > given by Steve. Quite frankly, I have never seen that type of > > committment to any open source project. What has impressed me most > > about Steve is that he is really concerned with the project's users. > <snip/> > > However, it appears to me that Steve is setting an important trend, > > one that at least for me inspires even greater confidence in the ASF. > > Isn't this the type of image that that ASF _should_ be projecting? > > Unfortunately, we have been told by the overlords of ASF that users > doesn't matter much.
I would disagree. Instead I would say that there is a different perception. > That can also be seen on many projects where the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list > often (there are many exceptions) is left to the users to fend for > themselves. > > In my, and most definately Steve's, opinion that is truly sad, but ASF at > large only look at "community", which means the contributors ability to > co-operate, get along, and each pull small straws to a big stack. This is closer to the mark. The definition of community - is it the set of developers granted commit privs on a project? Is the set of people who are subscribed to a list? Or is it the users of products produced by a project? I would argue that a community is made up through a cycle of value. I think that a cycle of value limited to developers 'scratching an itch' is too restrictive. Instead the interesting things start happening when you introduce users into that cycle. In particular you start to see much more discussion around competence development by the end-user. This leads to closer involvement in the development of functional requirements, input into product positioning and promotion, and interestingly, professional network development linking users-with-other-users and users-with-developers. Cheers, Steve. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
