i'd like to give some feedback: the publicly available list is leading for me in the right direction. it does work, potential customers are calling and asking about migration issues etc..

it could be improved by creating a webapplication that handles the directory better and does better OOo branding / marketing / black magic. if usermanagement is implented well, the regional idea might be possible and solveable as well. and it should. as well as better filtering, etc. pp. . nevertheless, at least some more or less serious resources are needed for such an application. i dreamed of creating one since about 1 and a half year but i was not able to do so next to my buisness until today. it shouldn't be that hard but at least it takes some time to do so and when it's started it should be made "en-block" and done well. i can offer webspace with ssh access and php / mysql right away.

i know a lot of smaller sized companys that do love using OOo and I think this is a target-audience as well.

on the side of the consultants / buisnesses, they should have got the opportunity to get in contact with each other as well.

maybe the local usergroups / associations in certain countries can give input as well. for germany i know of:

OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V.
http://www.ooodev.org/contact/view.html

certification, if handeled properly and constantly over the years, can be a good thing. but I don't think that the up-front problem is a missing certification. if the ooo council has decided to do so, they should take care about realisation as well.

i would be interessted into an ongoing discussion about the development because i think when this thing gets its own drive it can evolve quite quickly.

tom

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:48:16 +0100, Louis Suarez-Potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am the supposed lead of this project and I am not leading it at all, unless one counts leadership by neglect. I would like to change that as much as feasible :-)


The project has some problems: it's purpose is not clear and it maintains a large unwieldy database (actually just large list) of businesses. We have no real policy to filter this list and we ought to.

I have been working on related issues: to see about creating a filter for consultants offering support and services for OOo. The idea would be that those who offer services of a certain quality get listed; those who do not are not, at least not by OOo. As you may imagine, that's not been so easy.

Still, I think it's a worthwhile goal. We need to make it easier for users--gov'ts, companies, individuals, education--to find and buy support and services.

(Disclaimer: my employer, Sun, offers support and services for OOo; but my goal is not to promote that company but the ecosystem.)

So: two things.

* let's create a database for the consultants' directory. Several of you over the years have volunteered. If you are still interested in helping, please step forward again.

All names would be transferred over.

* let's work on the certification process. The Community Council last year (and year before) agreed that OOo can and should come up with criteria for support. Not much happened; a boring subject for many. Last September, we moved this forward, and since then, there has been work. Sophie Gautier (cc'd here) has stimulated work to build on this certification syllabus [0]. Discussions are on [EMAIL PROTECTED], and you can see the archives. [1]

Please use the certification list if you wish to discuss this topic.

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My interest again is in promoting the consultants. But the current set up makes it nearly impossible. Yet these consultants are key members of the OOo ecosystem, and we need to grow that.

Best
louis



[0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOo_Certification_Syllabus
[1] http://documentation.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=certification&by=date&from=2007-11-01&to=2007-11-30&first=1&count=36

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