It seems that your tactic of argument is to discredit me at every level in 
order to show your superiority of sorts.  Let me set this straight, I am not 
attempting to say that I am an authority on ASF or that I know how things 
should be run.  I also was not attempting to vilify you in front of the board 
or vilify you in any way.  My complaint is that your rhetoric is 
unprofessional; and as a representative of the board the language you use is, 
plainly, casting a bad light on the ASF.

I understand all of your concerns and was not attempting to minimize them in 
any way; they are legitimate concerns.  The way you are handling them is what I 
am concerned with and the tone you take is what I believe is helping divide the 
community.  Being the “villain” as you say is what is the problem.  If you cast 
yourself as the villain as a representative of the foundation you are then 
making the foundation look bad.

Lastly, I may not have a vote, but I do have a voice.  Everyone in the 
community does and can be heard, if not then it isn’t much of a community at 
all. I wouldn’t have you voted off the board nor do I want you to be voted off 
the board, I have not enough information to make a sound decision in that 

All I ask if for some common professionalism and courtesy, nothing more.

On 11/4/16, 4:46 PM, "Chris Mattmann" <> wrote:

    Hi Russ,
    Sorry that you feel that way. I’m happy to be the villain when it comes to 
    those same ideals you cite regarding Apache in your below thread. You see 
I’ve been
    around since 2004 and elected by the membership to the Board for the last 
three years
    based on merit, and contributions towards those ideals over a decade of the 
    I’ve been around longer than Apache Cassandra and this community and fully 
    for that to continue. My job is not to only care about Cassandra. It’s to 
ensure that the 
    ASF is a vendor neutral ground for ALL of its projects. You see I actually 
understand and 
    have read what’s required of me to serve the membership of the ASF and its 
    I take this VERY seriously. Perhaps more than you know.
    You see the other problem with your complaint about me – is that 
unfortunately you
    do not have a voice to act on that complaint. You won’t have a vote in the 
next Apache
    Board election. You won’t have a vote in the next Members election. And 
*that* is
    the rub. I wouldn’t even care if you did or not and you voted against me on 
the ballot.
    If the Apache Cassandra PMC or community cared enough about you or your 
    to the project, you would have been made a committer, or PMC member, long 
ago, and
    heck you would have even had a chance to become an ASF member where you 
could do
    more than simply voice your displeasure with my actions, you would be able 
to vote with
    your feet against my tyranny of trying to make this project’s management 
    understand their responsibilities for the ASF. I don’t even consider your 
requests to have
    me vilified in front of the Board something that would disqualify you for 
membership in 
    the PMC or committee. If you have been making contributions, even 
discussion threads,
    answering questions, etc., to the point of your prior emails including this 
one – why haven’t
    you been elected to have a binding voice within the project? Please ask 
yourself that. 
    In fact, please ask yourself – what is a “Cassandra MVP” compared to a 
member of the 
    ASF which is home to the project? Also please go look at all the people 
I’ve been privy and 
    voted on granting membership to within the foundation since 2011, go look 
at some of the 
    functioning and healthy projects that don’t have a problem with vendor 
neutrality at the 
    ASF, and *then* come and talk to me about how my professional and character 
isn’t such 
    to stand on the board of the ASF. Again, I’ll wait.
    If it’s a hostile request to ask that a potentially inflammatory Twitter 
discussion that I attempted
    to bring about to the *source of the project’s discussion here at the ASF* 
and for a mail summarizing
    that Twitter discussion to be moderated through within 12 hours, and
    for the PMC of an Apache project to understand its commitments regarding 
    geographically diverse moderators for their Apache lists; and if it’s a 
hostile request to 
    ask that all members of the community including those non committers and/or 
    that take to Twitter to voice their concerns when they are not sure of even 
where the 
    canonical discussion for the project is have a voice here on the canonical 
lists for the project
    then there is something fundamentally wrong with the community. I will 
assert again based 
    on my reading of the facts including archives, code, discussions here and 
outside of the ASF, abuse 
    of trademarks, vendor non-neutrality, tea leaves and the collective WHOLE 
of those things that my initial
    request to bring the conversation on list -  that was met with the usual 
random drive by vitriol and my follow
    up asking how in the bleeping world there were at least 3 emails 
questioning whether or not an email
    should be moderated though - was warranted. 
    I state this as someone who has seen Apache projects come and go and will 
    continue to see that, even ones at the same level of interest as Cassandra 
(and much 
    much more too as well). If it’s hostile for a Board member to drive the 
discussions to 
    the mailing list instead of outside sources, then my apologies for my 
hostility. You will
    continue to get that apology as I continue to do my job and what I signed 
up to do as an
    ASF board member in terms of maintaining that vendor neutrality, 
irrespective of whether
    or not people don’t like my directness, frankness, and discussion.
    On 11/4/16, 1:09 PM, "Russell Bradberry" <> wrote:
           - ... we are arguing whether to f'ing moderate it through. Wow. Great
           - Do you think it's healthy to send emails trying to talk shit 
           of ...
           - ... project? Or is Twitter the official list now? Go ahead, I'll 
        Given your behavior and rhetoric on this thread, I believe you lack the
        professionalism and character to be a board member of anything, let 
        representing the Apache Software Foundation and it's ideals. I've CC'd 
        rest of the Apache board because I would like to formally complain about
        your divisive rhetoric and overall unprofessional conduct within this
        mailing list.
        This list, and community, are made up of individuals and volunteers. I
        believe, attacking them, even though you believe you may have been
        attacked, detracts from the conversation and elevates tension in an 
        tense community.  I encourage others to chime in if I am misreading 
here. I
        personally feel that someone acting in a leadership capacity, such as a
        board member, should be held to a higher standard of professionalism and
        conduct when doing business; whether it is with their board member hat 
        or not.  I would hate for it to be assumed that the entire Apache board
        encourages, promotes, or even acts in this manner.
        On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 1:18 PM Mattmann, Chris A (3010) <> wrote:
        > Mark Thomas got it done ✅
        > Sent from my iPhone
        > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jason Brown <> 
        > >
        > > s/sis/is
        > >
        > >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Jason Brown <>
        > wrote:
        > >>
        > >> Chris,
        > >>
        > >> Yes, I would like to be added, and here sis the ticket I filed:
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> Thanks,
        > >>
        > >> -Jason
        > >>
        > >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Mattmann 
        > >> wrote:
        > >>
        > >>> I have apmail karma and can add moderators.
        > >>>
        > >>> Jason I can add you - please confirm you would like to be added. 
        > you
        > >>> file the ticket - if so point me to it. If you haven't yet, no 
        > I
        > >>> can still add you. Let me know. Thanks.
        > >>>
        > >>>> On 2016-11-04 09:54 (-0700), Jason Brown <>
        > wrote:
        > >>>> Gary,
        > >>>>
        > >>>> I've just started looking into the moderator component due to 
        > >>> thread;
        > >>>> I admit I did not know about it before (my fault). Yes, I would 
        > to
        > >>> be
        > >>>> added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket (as per
        > >>>>,
        > >>> which
        > >>>> I will do in the next few minutes.
        > >>>>
        > >>>> -Jason
        > >>>>
        > >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek 
        > >>> wrote:
        > >>>>
        > >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator 
privs. Any
        > >>> other
        > >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this 
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Gary.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann 
        > >>>>> wrote:
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>> Hi Folks,
        > >>>>>>
        > >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
        > >>> figure
        > >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
        > >>>>>>
        > >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
        > >>>>>>
        > >>>>>> Cheers,
        > >>>>>> Chris
        > >>>>>>
        > >>>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>
        > >>>
        > >>
        > >>

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