It seems that your tactic of argument is to discredit me at every level in order to show your superiority of sorts. Let me set this straight, I am not attempting to say that I am an authority on ASF or that I know how things should be run. I also was not attempting to vilify you in front of the board or vilify you in any way. My complaint is that your rhetoric is unprofessional; and as a representative of the board the language you use is, plainly, casting a bad light on the ASF.
I understand all of your concerns and was not attempting to minimize them in any way; they are legitimate concerns. The way you are handling them is what I am concerned with and the tone you take is what I believe is helping divide the community. Being the “villain” as you say is what is the problem. If you cast yourself as the villain as a representative of the foundation you are then making the foundation look bad. Lastly, I may not have a vote, but I do have a voice. Everyone in the community does and can be heard, if not then it isn’t much of a community at all. I wouldn’t have you voted off the board nor do I want you to be voted off the board, I have not enough information to make a sound decision in that regard. All I ask if for some common professionalism and courtesy, nothing more. On 11/4/16, 4:46 PM, "Chris Mattmann" <mattm...@apache.org> wrote: Hi Russ, Sorry that you feel that way. I’m happy to be the villain when it comes to protecting those same ideals you cite regarding Apache in your below thread. You see I’ve been around since 2004 and elected by the membership to the Board for the last three years based on merit, and contributions towards those ideals over a decade of the ASF. I’ve been around longer than Apache Cassandra and this community and fully intend for that to continue. My job is not to only care about Cassandra. It’s to ensure that the ASF is a vendor neutral ground for ALL of its projects. You see I actually understand and have read what’s required of me to serve the membership of the ASF and its communities. I take this VERY seriously. Perhaps more than you know. You see the other problem with your complaint about me – is that unfortunately you do not have a voice to act on that complaint. You won’t have a vote in the next Apache Board election. You won’t have a vote in the next Members election. And *that* is the rub. I wouldn’t even care if you did or not and you voted against me on the ballot. If the Apache Cassandra PMC or community cared enough about you or your contributions to the project, you would have been made a committer, or PMC member, long ago, and heck you would have even had a chance to become an ASF member where you could do more than simply voice your displeasure with my actions, you would be able to vote with your feet against my tyranny of trying to make this project’s management committee understand their responsibilities for the ASF. I don’t even consider your requests to have me vilified in front of the Board something that would disqualify you for membership in the PMC or committee. If you have been making contributions, even discussion threads, answering questions, etc., to the point of your prior emails including this one – why haven’t you been elected to have a binding voice within the project? Please ask yourself that. In fact, please ask yourself – what is a “Cassandra MVP” compared to a member of the ASF which is home to the project? Also please go look at all the people I’ve been privy and voted on granting membership to within the foundation since 2011, go look at some of the functioning and healthy projects that don’t have a problem with vendor neutrality at the ASF, and *then* come and talk to me about how my professional and character isn’t such to stand on the board of the ASF. Again, I’ll wait. If it’s a hostile request to ask that a potentially inflammatory Twitter discussion that I attempted to bring about to the *source of the project’s discussion here at the ASF* and for a mail summarizing that Twitter discussion to be moderated through within 12 hours, and for the PMC of an Apache project to understand its commitments regarding having geographically diverse moderators for their Apache lists; and if it’s a hostile request to ask that all members of the community including those non committers and/or PMC that take to Twitter to voice their concerns when they are not sure of even where the canonical discussion for the project is have a voice here on the canonical lists for the project then there is something fundamentally wrong with the community. I will assert again based on my reading of the facts including archives, code, discussions here and outside of the ASF, abuse of trademarks, vendor non-neutrality, tea leaves and the collective WHOLE of those things that my initial request to bring the conversation on list - that was met with the usual random drive by vitriol and my follow up asking how in the bleeping world there were at least 3 emails questioning whether or not an email should be moderated though - was warranted. I state this as someone who has seen Apache projects come and go and will continue to see that, even ones at the same level of interest as Cassandra (and much much more too as well). If it’s hostile for a Board member to drive the discussions to the mailing list instead of outside sources, then my apologies for my hostility. You will continue to get that apology as I continue to do my job and what I signed up to do as an ASF board member in terms of maintaining that vendor neutrality, irrespective of whether or not people don’t like my directness, frankness, and discussion. Chris On 11/4/16, 1:09 PM, "Russell Bradberry" <rbradbe...@gmail.com> wrote: - ... we are arguing whether to f'ing moderate it through. Wow. Great job. - Do you think it's healthy to send emails trying to talk shit instead of ... - ... project? Or is Twitter the official list now? Go ahead, I'll wait. Given your behavior and rhetoric on this thread, I believe you lack the professionalism and character to be a board member of anything, let alone representing the Apache Software Foundation and it's ideals. I've CC'd the rest of the Apache board because I would like to formally complain about your divisive rhetoric and overall unprofessional conduct within this mailing list. This list, and community, are made up of individuals and volunteers. I believe, attacking them, even though you believe you may have been attacked, detracts from the conversation and elevates tension in an already tense community. I encourage others to chime in if I am misreading here. I personally feel that someone acting in a leadership capacity, such as a board member, should be held to a higher standard of professionalism and conduct when doing business; whether it is with their board member hat on or not. I would hate for it to be assumed that the entire Apache board encourages, promotes, or even acts in this manner. -Russ On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 1:18 PM Mattmann, Chris A (3010) < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Mark Thomas got it done ✅ > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jason Brown <jasedbr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > s/sis/is > > > >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Jason Brown <jasedbr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Chris, > >> > >> Yes, I would like to be added, and here sis the ticket I filed: > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12858. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> -Jason > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I have apmail karma and can add moderators. > >>> > >>> Jason I can add you - please confirm you would like to be added. Did > you > >>> file the ticket - if so point me to it. If you haven't yet, no worries > I > >>> can still add you. Let me know. Thanks. > >>> > >>>> On 2016-11-04 09:54 (-0700), Jason Brown <jasedbr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> Gary, > >>>> > >>>> I've just started looking into the moderator component due to this > >>> thread; > >>>> I admit I did not know about it before (my fault). Yes, I would like > to > >>> be > >>>> added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket (as per > >>>> https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mailing-list-moderators), > >>> which > >>>> I will do in the next few minutes. > >>>> > >>>> -Jason > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek <gdusba...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. Any > >>> other > >>>>> committer/PMCs interested? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week. > >>>>> > >>>>> Gary. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Folks, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to > >>> figure > >>>>>> out if it's in moderation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> Chris > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> >