On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 at 22:26, Christopher <ctubb...@apache.org> wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:06 PM Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 4:59 PM Christopher <ctubb...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > Delegate implies designated authority/responsibility, more than > > > "maintainer" or "member", I think. The PMC role is delegated by the > > > ASF Board (usually lazily, upon notice by existing PMC members). So, I > > > think the word technically works here, but I won't argue that it's > > > that much better than "PMC member", but I'll point out that "member" > > > on its own has similar questions: member of what? > > > > Uh? Member of the PMC! > > Based on this response, I'm not sure I was clear. My point was that > you could answer the question similarly for member as you could for > delegate: > 1. Member of what? the PMC > 2. Delegate to what? the PMC > > It's not exactly identical... maybe "delegate" raises more > questions... I don't know what other people think when they hear that > word. My point was that it was kind of similar... if used on its own. > But used in conjunction with "PMC", it's not really unclear: "PMC > Member" vs. "PMC Delegate" seems pretty much equivalent to me. Perhaps > that's not the case for others. I can only speak to what happens in my > own brain. > > In any case, like I said, I'm not particularly fond of it either. So > I'll leave it to others to debate. It was just a suggestion.
Note that there are also ASF members (and generic ASF committers). It seems to me that any attempt to remove PMC from the name will result in ambiguity. > > > > Gary > > > > The main argument > > > I'll make is that we don't use the word delegate in any other context, > > > so it's less likely to cause confusion. > > > > > > Others to consider might be: associate (PMC-A) or representative (PMC > > > Rep, or PMC-R). > > > > > > I thought "maintainer" was okay, because it implies some > > > responsibility for the project... rather than merely somebody who > > > occasionally contributes. But the wording is a bit confusing, because > > > you're not exactly a "PMC maintainer" or "somebody who maintains the > > > PMC". A maintainer would maintain the project, not the PMC for the > > > project. So, it's more accurate to say a "PMC member" is a "<project > > > name> maintainer". So, it doesn't quite work to replace the word > > > "member", which I think is part of the goal. > > > > > > Personally, I'm not particularly fond of any of these... I don't have > > > a problem using the more explicit "PMC Member" either... but these > > > are suggestions that might work if somebody were to really champion > > > one of them to help reduce confusion for non-native English speakers, > > > or anybody who tends to prefer nominative uses of language over > > > descriptive uses and needs an unambiguous shortname. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 4:34 PM Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Delegate from what to what? > > > > > > > > "member" is fine IMO. > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:14 PM Christopher <ctubb...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Delegate? > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 3:42 PM Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't like "maintainer" here, a PMC member has a LOT more > > > > > > responsibility than the name implies IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maintainer" and "Contributor" feel almost interchangeable where a > > > > > > contributor might be a one-off and a maintainer more active. But > > > > > > we're > > > > > > splitting hair here IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 3:17 PM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally get the problem. I think if we can find a suitable > > > > > > > title for > > > > > PMC Member we could socialize it in a few years. Should have done this > > > > > years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But "Maintainer" does not do it for me. Keep looking... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2024, at 01:47, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Random thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may find people not a native English speaker keep calling a > > > > > > > > PMC > > > > > Member > > > > > > > > of Apache Foo "Foo PMC". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We correct it so many times and spread the knowledge on list. > > > > > > > > But > > > > > the trend > > > > > > > > I observed doesn't change and IMO it's hopeless to change. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since people tend to use a short ref and "committer" gives a > > > > > > > > one-word > > > > > > > > identifier first image, I'm trying to propose officially alias > > > > > > > > "PMC > > > > > Member" > > > > > > > > as "Maintainer" so that our wording is aligned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > tison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Craig L Russell > > > > > > > c...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
