> On 04 Nov 2014, at 15:59 , Brad Noble <br...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > > Would advocate for the sync idea to lead, and let the couch be a subtle thing > in the mark (like the arrow in the FedEx logo). > > For example, there's a couch hiding in here, but the lead is sync: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/7nqptqjrupj54no/2014-11-04%2009.54.55.jpg?dl=0 > > How much the couch hides would be fun to explore.
I do like this angle :) > > - Brad > > > > Noah Slater ---11/04/2014 09:49:00 AM---I really like this idea of two > couches meeting, as if the "sync" is something that's going on betwee > > From: Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> > To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <dev@couchdb.apache.org>, Joan Touzet > <woh...@apache.org> > Date: 11/04/2014 09:49 AM > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo > > > > I really like this idea of two couches meeting, as if the "sync" is > something that's going on between two humans sitting on couches that > face each other. I think that's a great concept to explore. Thanks! > > On 2 November 2014 22:03, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote: > > I'm in line with Andy on the blue, probably not good messaging. > > > > Green is PouchDB's colour so best to let them use that, too. > > > > Red, dark red, orange are fine by me. > > > > I also agree that the last row is the best, I don't like the "ouchDB" > > that people might read if they don't know that the semicircular thing is > > a C. > > > > Short story: Many years ago I worked for Soma Networks. Their first logo > > was a perfect circle with two sorta offset symbols on top of it. They > > used to position the logo to the left of the Soma Networks text. > > > > http://www.huntingtonventures.com/images/logos/soma.gif > > > > TSA started stopping our employees at the US border who were wearing > > shirts/jackets with the logo: "Wait, you work for OSAMA NETWORKS?" >_< > > > > After that, the logo was moved directly above the Soma Networks text > > so all confusion was removed...at great expense to reprint everything... > > > > -Joan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andy Wenk" <andyw...@apache.org> > > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org > > Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 3:51:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo > > > > Nick, > > > > thanks 1000 times for taking the action and create these ideas. This is > > what we need to find a route to a "maybe" new logo. Everything I write > > below is very direct and I ask you very much to take it as my personal view > > and as constructive criticism. Again - I highly appreciate your work! > > > > I have to admit, that I don't like the first and second ideas. I simply > > read OuchDB (Alex mentioned it before). Imho it's a no go. > > > > The third line is a better idea but is not better that what we have. It is > > definitely very modern. Some words to the colours (last row): > > > > * sorry I don't like green ;-) > > * orange is not strong enough as a colour > > * blue is cool but is Cloudant's main colour an also used heavily by > > Couchbase (http://www.couchbase.com/). > > * red ... is what I like > > * dark red and red is ... hm ... dunno - I don't like it too much > > > > The only colours I like is blue and red. But blue can have some problems > > like: > > > > * it's Cloudant's colour > > * Cloudant does now belong to IBM > > * IBM is blue > > * ah - CouchDB is also blue now - maybe they are now a IBM OpenSource > > Project? > > * ... ähm ... nope! > > > > I think that IF we create a new logo, we should keep a "link" to the old > > one in some way. I am afraid I don't see this here ... > > > > Thanks a lot and Cheers > > > > Andy > > > > > > On 1 November 2014 10:09, Alexander Shorin <kxe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> OuchDB! You made it (: > >> Circular designs are really nice: they have the project name, two > >> curved couches directed to each other suggests party communication / > >> data replication and multiple colours allows to fit it surrounding > >> environment better. Though we're seems going to drop Relax moto... > >> -- > >> ,,,^..^,,, > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <jus...@villageonline.info> wrote: > >> > Hi Nick, > >> > > >> > These look great. > >> > > >> > I like the circular designs - how would these look with the current > >> colours (ie Reds, white and black) ? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Justin > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Nick Pavlica [mailto:lini...@gmail.com] > >> > Sent: 31 October 2014 23:49 > >> > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org; andyw...@apache.org > >> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo > >> > > >> > All, > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hey Nick, > >> >> > >> >> attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could > >> >> you share it via link? > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > Sorry, I didn't realize that the ML restricted attachments. Here is a > >> link to the attachment in Dropbox: > >> > > >> > > >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e06ijhfizbd188/couchdb_concept_art.pdf?dl=0 > >> > > >> > -- Nick > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Looking forward to see your ideas :) > >> >> > >> >> Cheers > >> >> > >> >> Andy > >> >> > >> >> On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <lini...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > All, > >> >> > I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this > >> >> > discussion forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away > >> >> > from the couch with the human figure on it, and go with a top view > >> >> > of a circular, or conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I > >> >> > tried to stay true to > >> >> the > >> >> > current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of > >> >> > course this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Regards, > >> >> > > >> >> > -- Nick Pavlica > >> >> > > >> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as > >> >> >> it's > >> >> not > >> >> >> a developer-related issue. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo > >> >> >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol, > >> >> >> please > >> >> post > >> >> >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official > >> >> announcement > >> >> >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -Joan > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> From: "Andy Wenk" <andyw...@apache.org> > >> >> >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org > >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Jan, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts > >> >> >> as > >> >> well > >> >> >> > >> >> >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I > >> >> >> was > >> >> not > >> >> >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue > >> >> >> but > >> >> am > >> >> >> still -1 in changing the name > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Cheers > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Andy > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for > >> >> >> > non-threaded > >> >> >> MUAs > >> >> >> > :/ > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > I was replying to this thread: > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Andy: > >> >> >> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give > >> >> >> > >> my > >> >> >> whatever > >> >> >> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get > >> >> >> > > with a > >> >> >> > rename > >> >> >> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ... > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Noah: > >> >> >> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Andy: > >> >> >> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly > >> >> >> > >> see > >> >> the > >> >> >> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the > >> >> >> > > ML > >> >> who > >> >> >> > think > >> >> >> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep > >> >> >> > > the > >> >> >> name > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > > clarify the situation as often as possible > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name. > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> Best > >> >> >> > >> Jan > >> >> >> > >> -- > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> No, because of the name. > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and > >> >> >> > >>>>> shows no > >> >> >> signs > >> >> >> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly > >> >> >> coming up > >> >> >> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on. > >> >> >> > >>>> > >> >> >> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so. > >> >> >> > >>>> > >> >> >> > >>>> Best > >> >> >> > >>>> Jan > >> >> >> > >>>> -- > >> >> >> > >>>> > >> >> >> > >>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I > >> >> >> > >>>>>> clearly > >> >> see > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on > >> >> >> > >>>>>> the > >> >> ML > >> >> >> > who think > >> >> >> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to > >> >> >> > >>>>>> keep > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > name and > >> >> >> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> give > >> >> my > >> >> >> > whatever > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> to get > >> >> >> > with a > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> rename > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ... > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith < > >> >> jason.h.sm...@gmail.com > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> out > >> >> an > >> >> >> > arbitrary > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names): > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball! > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> problems. But > >> >> >> it > >> >> >> > is worth > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to do > >> >> >> it, > >> >> >> > if it > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> is to > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> be done. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater < > >> >> >> > nsla...@apache.org> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now. > >> >> (cf. > >> >> >> > Max > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.) > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes < > >> >> >> > kevin.r.coom...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already > >> "cooked" > >> >> >> into > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> everything > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> hard > >> >> copy > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> references) > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> long > >> >> do > >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> want > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> be > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> users > >> >> from > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> current > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones? > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> And > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > last > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> time I > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or > >> >> >> blue.... > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble" > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> <br...@us.ibm.com> > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB* > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith > >> >> ---10/30/2014 > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26 > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater > >> >> >> > <nslater@apache > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30, > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 at > >> >> >> > 12:52 AM, > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Noah > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> :) > >> >> But > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <jason.h.sm...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <dev@couchdb.apache.org> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater < > >> >> >> > nsla...@apache.org> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> name > >> >> >> > too. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> I > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the > >> time. > >> >> >> It's > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> important > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand, > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >> >> >> > changing it > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> in > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> a > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name! > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> done > >> >> we > >> >> >> > will > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> all > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > >> >> that > >> >> >> > strength > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> can > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> we > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get > >> >> >> tons > >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> attention > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that > >> >> already > >> >> >> > isn't > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> branding > >> >> >> > baggage and > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems. > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> -- > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> RockIt! > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> 9ED3 > >> >> >> 9588 > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> -- > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> >> >> > >>>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> -- > >> >> >> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk > >> >> >> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany > >> >> >> > >>>>>> RockIt! > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 > >> >> >> > >>>>>> 9ED3 > >> >> >> 9588 > >> >> >> > >>>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > >> >> >> > >>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>> > >> >> >> > >>>>> -- > >> >> >> > >>>>> Noah Slater > >> >> >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> >> >> > >>>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> > >> >> >> > >>> -- > >> >> >> > >>> Noah Slater > >> >> >> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > -- > >> >> >> > > Noah Slater > >> >> >> > > https://twitter.com/nslater > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Andy Wenk > >> >> >> Hamburg - Germany > >> >> >> RockIt! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Andy Wenk > >> >> Hamburg - Germany > >> >> RockIt! > >> >> > >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > >> >> > >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Andy Wenk > > Hamburg - Germany > > RockIt! > > > > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > > > > https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater > >
