All,
> Hey Nick, > > attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could you > share it via link? > Sorry, I didn't realize that the ML restricted attachments. Here is a link to the attachment in Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e06ijhfizbd188/couchdb_concept_art.pdf?dl=0 -- Nick > > Looking forward to see your ideas :) > > Cheers > > Andy > > On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <lini...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > All, > > I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this discussion > > forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away from the couch > > with the human figure on it, and go with a top view of a circular, or > > conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I tried to stay true to > the > > current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of course > > this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -- Nick Pavlica > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as it's > not > >> a developer-related issue. > >> > >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo > >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol, please > post > >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official > announcement > >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions. > >> > >> -Joan > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Andy Wenk" <andyw...@apache.org> > >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org > >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo > >> > >> Jan, > >> > >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts as > well > >> > >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I was > not > >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue but > am > >> still -1 in changing the name > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Andy > >> > >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for non-threaded > >> MUAs > >> > :/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I was replying to this thread: > >> > > > >> > > Andy: > >> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my > >> whatever > >> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a > >> > rename > >> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ... > >> > > > >> > > Noah: > >> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically. > >> > > > >> > > Andy: > >> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see > the > >> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML > who > >> > think > >> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the > >> name > >> > and > >> > > clarify the situation as often as possible > >> > > > >> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name. > >> > >> > >> > >> Best > >> > >> Jan > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> No, because of the name. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and shows no > >> signs > >> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly > >> coming up > >> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Best > >> > >>>> Jan > >> > >>>> -- > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically. > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly > see > >> > the > >> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the > ML > >> > who think > >> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep > >> the > >> > name and > >> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give > my > >> > whatever > >> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get > >> > with a > >> > >>>>>>> rename > >> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ... > >> > >>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith < > jason.h.sm...@gmail.com > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > >>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake out > an > >> > arbitrary > >> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP. > >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names): > >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball > >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball! > >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of problems. But > >> it > >> > is worth > >> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time to do > >> it, > >> > if it > >> > >>>>>>> is to > >> > >>>>>>>>> be done. > >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater < > >> > nsla...@apache.org> > >> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now. > (cf. > >> > Max > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.) > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes < > >> > kevin.r.coom...@gmail.com> > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already "cooked" > >> into > >> > >>>>>>>>> everything > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and hard > copy > >> > >>>>>>> references) > >> > >>>>>>>>>> to > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How long > do > >> > you > >> > >>>>>>> want > >> > >>>>>>>>> to > >> > >>>>>>>>>> be > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward users > from > >> > the > >> > >>>>>>>>> current > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones? > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. And > >> the > >> > last > >> > >>>>>>>>> time I > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or > >> blue.... > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble" <br...@us.ibm.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB* > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith > ---10/30/2014 > >> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26 > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater > >> > <nslater@apache > >> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at > >> > 12:52 AM, > >> > >>>>>>>>> Noah > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice. :) > But > >> the > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <jason.h.sm...@gmail.com> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <dev@couchdb.apache.org> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater < > >> > nsla...@apache.org> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change the > >> name > >> > too. > >> > >>>>>>> I > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time. > >> It's > >> > >>>>>>>>> important > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand, and > >> > changing it > >> > >>>>>>> in > >> > >>>>>>>>> a > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name! > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's done > we > >> > will > >> > >>>>>>> all > >> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much of > that > >> > strength > >> > >>>>>>>>> can > >> > >>>>>>>>>> we > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will get > >> tons > >> > of > >> > >>>>>>>>>> attention > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that > already > >> > isn't > >> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of branding > >> > baggage and > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems. > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater > >> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> -- > >> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk > >> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany > >> > >>>>>>>> RockIt! > >> > >>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 > >> 9588 > >> > >>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> -- > >> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater > >> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> -- > >> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk > >> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany > >> > >>>>>> RockIt! > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 > >> 9588 > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> -- > >> > >>>>> Noah Slater > >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> -- > >> > >>> Noah Slater > >> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Noah Slater > >> > > https://twitter.com/nslater > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Andy Wenk > >> Hamburg - Germany > >> RockIt! > >> > >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > >> > >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > >> > > > > > > > -- > Andy Wenk > Hamburg - Germany > RockIt! > > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > > https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc >
