On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 3:47 PM Alex Harui <[email protected]> wrote:
> Can I get a summary of all of these Outreachy threads? I'm not on > private@diversity and I think I've read every email on this list, but I'm > seeing numbers like $10.5K being discussed and I have no clue where that > number came from. I'm on fundraising@ as well and still don't recall any > source for those numbers. Also, I thought that there was more than one > entity that was willing to donate directly to Outreachy and there was only > one or two ASF sponsors who were unable to redirect their money directly to > Outreachy, so I don't understand why we are still having these long > discussions. > > I thought that if some entity was to donate money directly to Outreachy > that there were no objections from anybody even if it benefited one or a > few ASF projects and not others. I would hope that would be the > recommended workflow. > > If it turns out there are some entities that are ok with the money they > donated to the ASF going to Outreachy but for some reason can't directly > donate to Outreachy, I would hope that we would make it clear that this > workflow is not our recommended workflow but we would redirect some of > their money to Outreachy and either let Outreachy pick which ASF project > gets an intern, or can we document somewhere that this money was donated > "on behalf of Entity X". > > And then, IMO, the ASF is not paying for code. Can we all agree to that > and get going on Outreachy? > > It was interesting to see it pointed out that there is a financial barrier > to entry at the ASF. It would be nice if the ASF could find a way to help > lower that barrier without "paying for code", but maybe we should put that > in its own thread and spend more time brainstorming on that while we get > going on Outreachy. IMO, the ASF has other barriers as well. Every ASF > project I've looked at is huge compared to many of the projects I've seen > on Github, so the learning curve may be tilted against inexperienced > programmers and they may need a more expensive computer to build the source > without it affecting the interns productivity. But even then, the > entities donating directly to Outreachy could fund that more expensive > computer. The ASF should not feel obligated to take on smaller projects > just to make Outreachy interns more successful. Contributing code to the > ASF is more like becoming a commercial truck driver, contributing to GitHub > is more like becoming a ride-share driver. > > One thought on the financial barrier before I forget: the ASF offers VMs > to projects. Could they offer laptops as well? > My experience as a contributor from an under represented group is that, the intern does whatever it takes to get selected for Outreachy or GSoC. This might mean begging or taking out a loan to buy a more powerful computer and then later paying back the money when you get selected. It will be great to have new contributors have powerful computers but that may never happen. > Thanks, > -Alex > > > >
