Now that this is ready, I'd like to volunteer to be a coordinator.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 at 18:51, Joan Touzet <[email protected]> wrote: > > Whoops, made a mistake here: > > On 2019-07-15 11:48 a.m., Joan Touzet wrote: > > Gris, did we confirm with Sage Sharp that 3 people sharing the > > Coordinator role is OK? The text on the website implies a single person. > > > > To Ross's point, we have 3 people who've agreed to help, and have met > > with the Chair's approval, so I think this meets his statement. The role > > VP. Not Chair. This is not a PMC. > > Not confusion on my part - I had just been setting up a vote for > confirming the Chair on a project PMC mailing list, and had Chairs on > the brain. > > -Joan "'Two Chairs'" Touzet > > > of the coordinator is very well laid out as a facilitation role only on > > Outreachy's website. > > > > +1 with either approach to clarify the fundraising aspect, to avoid > > confusion and lengthy, flame-fest emails ;) > > > > -Joan "enough is enough" Touzet > > > > > > > > On 2019-07-15 3:37, Ross Gardler wrote: > >> +1 (is prefer to remove fundraising entirely in order to allow unhindered > >> progress, but Sam's attempt to be explicit about the scope of fundraising > >> efforts is ok by me) > >> > >> With respect to "assigning" individuals to roles: fine if someone wants > >> the job let them do it. It's the Apache Way to NOT have appointed leaders. > >> The goal is to let whoever is doing the work lead the work. Formally > >> assigning people can have the disadvantage of giving the impression that > >> others are not entitled to help. On the other hand when things are time > >> based having someone to make decisions can be good. > >> > >> So, +1 to assign anyone willing to do the work, but let's ensure they > >> consider their primary responsibility is to help others contribute to the > >> effort. Their secondary role is to ensure we hit deadlines. > >> > >> Ross > >> > >> --- > >> > >> Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having a > >> conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines. > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Craig Russell <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 3:55:43 AM > >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [Volunteer Needed] Outreachy Coordinator for the ASF > >> > >> My only concern with the whole Outreachy effort is the implied > >> coordination with fundraising. At least for the time being, we should > >> simply say that fundraising is out of scope for D&I. No effort should be > >> made to do anything but understand the current situation with funding. > >> > >> That said, having the three individuals sharing the coordination role is a > >> great step forward. > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> > >>> On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Griselda Cuevas <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Just to for clarification. > >>> > >>> I'd like to hear your feedback on assigning Matt, Katia and Awasum as > >>> Outreachy coordinators for the ASF. I'd like to make this official after > >>> 72h from this email. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 10:16 AM Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Working with Fundraising makes incredible sense for future work so we can > >>>> get more sponsors. The first round (Winter 2019) sounds funded already, > >>>> so > >>>> any work done with Fundraising would be to target the Summer 2020 > >>>> Outreachy > >>>> round. > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 12:04, Griselda Cuevas <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Agreed. Thanks Sam & Ross. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 12:15 AM Ross Gardler > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Yes. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As Sam neatly highlights in his clarification it is critical to draw > >>>>>> accurate boundaries when pushing back against community concerns. Small > >>>>>> reversible steps is a phrase we often use, I guess we should make it > >>>>> "Small > >>>>>> and clearly defined reversible steps". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ross > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having a > >>>>>> conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>> From: Sam Ruby <[email protected]> > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 5:36:08 AM > >>>>>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Volunteer Needed] Outreachy Coordinator for the ASF > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 7:31 PM Ross Gardler > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm all for the proposal but... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Why would this committee be doing fundraising? Nothing in the > >>>> proposal > >>>>>> we currently have consensus around requires fundraising. There is a > >>>>> reason > >>>>>> for this. Furthermore, we have a fundraising committee charged with > >>>>>> fundraising activities should it ever be approved that the ASF raises > >>>>> funds > >>>>>> for Outreachy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Would the following be acceptable? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In most organizations that Outreachy deals with, the organization > >>>>>> itself sponsors Outreachy's efforts. At the moment, the ASF is not > >>>>>> such an organization, and may never be. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Instead we are currently relying on generous sponsor(s), and from time > >>>>>> to time may need to work directly with them. Any such work will need > >>>>>> to be coordinated by out fundraising committee which is largely > >>>>>> composed of volunteers. Fundraising already works closely with > >>>>>> Marketing and Publicity, Conferences, and Virtual Inc. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Outreachy coordinators can decide amongst themselves to what > >>>>>> extent it makes sense to work with fundraising and which of them (if > >>>>>> any) will liaise with the fundraising committee. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ross > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having a > >>>>>> conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Sam Ruby > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Matt Sicker <[email protected]> > >>>> > >> > >> Craig L Russell > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > > -- Matt Sicker <[email protected]>
