+1 (is prefer to remove fundraising entirely in order to allow unhindered progress, but Sam's attempt to be explicit about the scope of fundraising efforts is ok by me)
With respect to "assigning" individuals to roles: fine if someone wants the job let them do it. It's the Apache Way to NOT have appointed leaders. The goal is to let whoever is doing the work lead the work. Formally assigning people can have the disadvantage of giving the impression that others are not entitled to help. On the other hand when things are time based having someone to make decisions can be good. So, +1 to assign anyone willing to do the work, but let's ensure they consider their primary responsibility is to help others contribute to the effort. Their secondary role is to ensure we hit deadlines. Ross --- Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having a conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines. ________________________________ From: Craig Russell <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 3:55:43 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Volunteer Needed] Outreachy Coordinator for the ASF My only concern with the whole Outreachy effort is the implied coordination with fundraising. At least for the time being, we should simply say that fundraising is out of scope for D&I. No effort should be made to do anything but understand the current situation with funding. That said, having the three individuals sharing the coordination role is a great step forward. Craig > On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Griselda Cuevas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just to for clarification. > > I'd like to hear your feedback on assigning Matt, Katia and Awasum as > Outreachy coordinators for the ASF. I'd like to make this official after > 72h from this email. > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 10:16 AM Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Working with Fundraising makes incredible sense for future work so we can >> get more sponsors. The first round (Winter 2019) sounds funded already, so >> any work done with Fundraising would be to target the Summer 2020 Outreachy >> round. >> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 12:04, Griselda Cuevas <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Agreed. Thanks Sam & Ross. >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 12:15 AM Ross Gardler >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes. >>>> >>>> As Sam neatly highlights in his clarification it is critical to draw >>>> accurate boundaries when pushing back against community concerns. Small >>>> reversible steps is a phrase we often use, I guess we should make it >>> "Small >>>> and clearly defined reversible steps". >>>> >>>> Ross >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having a >>>> conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines. >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Sam Ruby <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 5:36:08 AM >>>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [Volunteer Needed] Outreachy Coordinator for the ASF >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 7:31 PM Ross Gardler >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm all for the proposal but... >>>>> >>>>> Why would this committee be doing fundraising? Nothing in the >> proposal >>>> we currently have consensus around requires fundraising. There is a >>> reason >>>> for this. Furthermore, we have a fundraising committee charged with >>>> fundraising activities should it ever be approved that the ASF raises >>> funds >>>> for Outreachy. >>>> >>>> Would the following be acceptable? >>>> >>>> In most organizations that Outreachy deals with, the organization >>>> itself sponsors Outreachy's efforts. At the moment, the ASF is not >>>> such an organization, and may never be. >>>> >>>> Instead we are currently relying on generous sponsor(s), and from time >>>> to time may need to work directly with them. Any such work will need >>>> to be coordinated by out fundraising committee which is largely >>>> composed of volunteers. Fundraising already works closely with >>>> Marketing and Publicity, Conferences, and Virtual Inc. >>>> >>>> The Outreachy coordinators can decide amongst themselves to what >>>> extent it makes sense to work with fundraising and which of them (if >>>> any) will liaise with the fundraising committee. >>>> >>>>> Ross >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having a >>>> conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines. >>>> >>>> - Sam Ruby >>>> >>> >> -- >> Matt Sicker <[email protected]> >> Craig L Russell [email protected]
