Hi *,

On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 06:38:43PM -0500, Daniel Carrera wrote:
> [...] 
> 1) I used exactly the same documentation that there is now.

Too bad, you 1, I 0 :-)

> 2) Documentation is not a replacement for simplicity.

But how can the documentation be any simpler than it is now, explaining
and mentioning each single step?

> Take my example of 
> complex analysis. If I give you my book on complex analysis you'll have 
> all the documentation you need to answer the problem I posed. Does that 
> mean it's not difficult anymore?

There is no book on complex analysis that explains every single step.
But comparisons always suck, that's right.

I would agree with you if the documentation still would be the same as
"in the old days". Were basically the instruction was:

"create a key, attach it to an issue" ;-)

> > My experience is that the only problem is that people try to connect
> > using the tunnel before their key is uploaded to the server causing the
> > attemt to connect to fail (and any action tried after that failed
> > connection).
> 
> I had trouble figuring out what the heck a tunnel is,

Do you really have to know what a tunnel is?
You don't have to know what ssh stands for, do you?

> I had trouble 
> figuring out what a key is, 

see above. You don't have to know to set up your system.

> I had trouble figuring out how to generate a 
> key (the documentation is ridiculously ambiguous on that point), 

Are you talking about the same document?
what is ambiguous with the instruction 'enter "ssh-keygen -d"'
the instructions even tell you that you are asked for a passphrase and
that you have to type your passphrase twice to avoid spelling mistakes.

> I had 
> trouble figuring out how to establish the tunnel once my key was uploaded, 

Again, are you really talking about the same document?

'At the prompt, enter
"ssh -2 -x -L 2401:localhost:2401 [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
The server should ask you for your passphrase. Enter it. If the
passphrase is entered wrongly, the server will immediately ask for your
password. This request indicates a failure. You should try again, and
hope for better luck'

How can one have trouble following this instructions? You even can use
cut'n'paste..

> I had trouble figuring out how to use a tunnel once it was established.

I'm almost confident that you're not talking about the same document.

* The screen does not show a prompt. It may, at most, say something.
  That's how it should be. The tunnel has been established. You are now
  ready to begin using CVS.
* You can, at this point, minimize the terminal, but do not close it or
  enter Ctrl-C (^C). Doing so will kill the terminal tunnel.

You do nothing with the tunnel other than establishing it (or killing it
after you're done)

A little down you find:

"Step 4. What to do after you have established a tunnel

Okay, you've come this far. If you've done everything right, you will
have a tunnel on your desktop to the server housing the CVS repository.
[...]"

> In other words: Every single step of the process felt like hitting a brick 
> wall.

Again: I don't thing you're talking about the same document.
 
> I did offer to write the instructions at the time. Of course, my offer 
> went ignored, like they always are.

Have a look again at http://www.openoffice.org/scdocs/ddSSHGuide.html
and see whether you're really talking about the same instructions.

ciao
Christian
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