On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 02:55:06PM -0500, Daniel Carrera wrote: > Christian Lohmaier wrote: > > > > Easy?? !! > > > > It is an easy attitide because you can always blame the others for your > > changes not making it through. > > I am NOT throwing blame around.
The easiest way to kill idea is to have the PL decide on it. Sounds familiar to you? > What I said was that I have provided > rewrites for several OOo pages that were poorly done, and have fought > tooth and nail to get them updated, and have met almost zero success. I did a quick search on issuezilla. And did not find issues for several pages. Again - your ideas lack the final step. I don't say that it is easy to get this final step done (since most of the time you cannot do this step yourself). But you don't have zero success because your ideas are recejected, but because nobody feels responsible. This is the main problem. > > I don't say that all is fine with the process. But when you want > > something changes, you must push it yourself. It is sad, but it is the > > truth. > > I have worked in other open soruce projects. I have never seen a project > that was so resistant to improvements as OOo. The size is the problem. There are so many things to do and so few time. > > > And then I pick another, and another, and another, and everything I > > > submit > > > goes ignored but I keep working nonetheless. > > > > It is unfortunaltely not enough to submit one impovement and then leave > > it to the others. > > I don't think you understand how many months I spend fighting tooth and > nail for changes that I try to get made. No matter how trivial. Fixing a > link, updating a picture. I have an idea. And I don't deny that you put an immense amount of time in this effort. > Even those I have fought for over a period of > months without success. I work *very* hard at OOo. I work as much as any > paid employee, and possibly more than many paid employees. So don't treat > me like I just "submit one improvement and the leave it". It seems to me that you do your best for not getting me right. I know I'm bad in communicating my POV, this doesn't make the whole thing easier.. > > Again: The process is /not/ easy. It is easy to give up. > > You seem to be truly oblivious to the problems around. > Have you worked on other FOSS projects? Contributing to Gnome, Mono and > Ruby was a walk in the park compared to OOo. Yes. I'm involved in other projects. Including gnome and some single app-projects. OOo works different. If you don't file an issue the responsible persons will forget about it in the mass of mails they have to read/ other work they have to do. > > > I was one of the > > > founders of the OpenClipArt project, because I was hoping that OOo would > > > use the clipart. But inspite all my efforts, nothing has been accepted. > > > > This is another issue because of licensing and other issues (problems > > with the contents for some countries, and similar) > > Licensing???? What do you mean licensing? > Have you followed the project? It's public domain! [...] /You/ did not follow the discussion obviously! It was clearly stated that in some countries there is no such thing as public domain! In some countries you cannot "give your copyright away". > [...] ciao Christian -- NP: nichts --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
