Hi *, please don't get this post and the others wrong. I don't want to advocate for the current process. I agree with you that things somethimes take longer than necessary, but it is like it is. This posting should not read like "It is your fault". If you get the impression, I apologize beforehand. English is not my native language and thus I lack the correct works to mark my point.
With this in mind, continue reading. On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 08:32:35AM -0500, Daniel Carrera wrote: > Christian Lohmaier wrote: > > > > But this attitude is only going to continue to keep > > > people from contributing. > > > > What attitude? > > > > You keep complaining that "nothing gets through". This is an easy > > attitude. > > Easy?? !! It is an easy attitide because you can always blame the others for your changes not making it through. Even worse, you use this attitude for hindering others to contribute by saying something like: "Don't even try it, this is a waste of time because you won't get it on the site" > Do you think it's easy to work for days non-stop on an improvement to a > page only to see it ignored? No. Read again. I did not say it is easy to work on the imporvement, but it is easy to give up/not pushing it after a while. What is not easy is to keep pushing your ideas, getting on people's nerves until the page is uploaded. > And then I pick a new page and work on it for days, and it gets ignored > again. See above. I don't say that all is fine with the process. But when you want something changes, you must push it yourself. It is sad, but it is the truth. > And then I pick another, and another, and another, and everything I submit > goes ignored but I keep working nonetheless. It is unfortunaltely not enough to submit one impovement and then leave it to the others. > And you call that easy? Again: read more carefully. > I've > worked hard to make improvements to the support page, home page, todos > page, ssh key page, contribution page and others. Of those, the only that > was accepted was the contribution page. And I had to fight tooth and nail > for it over several months. Yes, months. Not weeks, months. Sorry to say that. Things are accepted easily. Everybody agreed with the contribution page. You were only missing someone to do the final step. Again: The process is /not/ easy. It is easy to give up. > I have worked > on several other proposals and nothing gets through. All I read recently were complaints about the process, agreements to make the change and then the discussion faded out. After a while the discussion comes up again and still there is agreements to do the chagnes. The crucial thing is to find someone to upload it. If nobody cares about it, then do it yourself (do It yourself means: find someone to upload the files). You definitely have to file an issue otherwise there won't be any action taken. > I was one of the > founders of the OpenClipArt project, because I was hoping that OOo would > use the clipart. But inspite all my efforts, nothing has been accepted. This is another issue because of licensing and other issues (problems with the contents for some countries, and similar) > There are now 3,000 high-quality public domain clipart images there > waiting to be used, and we're not using them. I've tried to have *some* of > them accepted in, and got nowhere. Youre ideas were always welcomed and basically noone voted against the inclusion (apart from the concerns of the issues avove). What is lacking again are the final steps: Find someone who will incorporate this into a cws. (file an issue in the first place and assign it to that person) > And you say this is easy? No. I myself know that this is hard and time consuming. What is easy is to not pushing it yourself and resignate. > > You don't complain about the documentation, you complain about the > > system itself. These are two very different things. > > Both are broken. Again: It is aleays easy to tell "this is broken". But you fail to give concrete examples in this case. The system cannot be changed. ciao Christian -- NP: Helloween - Keeper Of The Seven Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
