Gee I think making changes on documentation is fairly easy. We even accomodate submissions that need to be redone, allbeit after assuming peer review was done. THis discussion you both realized belongs on discuss as it is a general case. May I ask that you move it there so we can get on with fixing our part?
On Sun, 2005-02-20 at 14:55 -0500, Daniel Carrera wrote: > Christian Lohmaier wrote: > > > > Easy?? !! > > > > It is an easy attitide because you can always blame the others for your > > changes not making it through. > > I am NOT throwing blame around. What I said was that I have provided > rewrites for several OOo pages that were poorly done, and have fought > tooth and nail to get them updated, and have met almost zero success. > > > I don't say that all is fine with the process. But when you want > > something changes, you must push it yourself. It is sad, but it is the > > truth. > > I have worked in other open soruce projects. I have never seen a project > that was so resistant to improvements as OOo. > > > > And then I pick another, and another, and another, and everything I > > > submit > > > goes ignored but I keep working nonetheless. > > > > It is unfortunaltely not enough to submit one impovement and then leave > > it to the others. > > I don't think you understand how many months I spend fighting tooth and > nail for changes that I try to get made. No matter how trivial. Fixing a > link, updating a picture. Even those I have fought for over a period of > months without success. I work *very* hard at OOo. I work as much as any > paid employee, and possibly more than many paid employees. So don't treat > me like I just "submit one improvement and the leave it". > > > Again: The process is /not/ easy. It is easy to give up. > > You seem to be truly oblivious to the problems around. > Have you worked on other FOSS projects? Contributing to Gnome, Mono and > Ruby was a walk in the park compared to OOo. > > > > > I was one of the > > > founders of the OpenClipArt project, because I was hoping that OOo would > > > use the clipart. But inspite all my efforts, nothing has been accepted. > > > > This is another issue because of licensing and other issues (problems > > with the contents for some countries, and similar) > > Licensing???? What do you mean licensing? > Have you followed the project? It's public domain! > It's free for anyone to use under no restrictions, no rules, no copyright. > This was chosen from the beginning, so the contents could be used by > anyone. And especifically, OpenClipArt was set up so that its product > could be use by OpenOffice.org. I made sure of that. > > > > > > You don't complain about the documentation, you complain about the > > > > system itself. These are two very different things. > > > > > > Both are broken. > > > > Again: It is aleays easy to tell "this is broken". But you fail to give > > concrete examples in this case. > > The system cannot be changed. > > You have plenty of information, why do I have to repeat myself or repeat > what Jean has said? Steps are out of order, they reference external > material, they are poorly lableed (e.g. lack of "instructions for Unix") > they presume a great deal of knowledge (shells, tunelling, ssh), and a > great deal of text is spent in saying very little, which only serves to > make the contents more daunting. > > These are all things that I've said before, nothing new. -- Documentation Co-Lead PLEASE - keep list traffic on the list. Email sent directly to me may be ignored utterly. "Dinna meddle wi' things ye ken nuthin' aboot!" J.Herriot --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
