Okay sorry Alex, I guess I misunderstood your forwarding reference to mean they have not seen my proposal. Thanks for forwarding that on.
Today I also sent a copy to tradema...@apache.org, hoping that might help, with the added correction of 'who' to 'whom' (it may concern), and the addition of "PS: please note that I am aware of the contents of the following https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#domains https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#booktitle."; Thanks for your efforts, that makes two of us who are new to this. :) Please keep me posted. Thanks again, _______________________________________________________________________ Joseph Balderson, Flex & Flash Platform Developer :: http://joeflash.ca Author, Professional Flex 3 :: http://tinyurl.com/proflex3book Alex Harui wrote: > I did forward your proposal in its entirety. > > This trademark stuff is all new to me. I have a duty to not break the > rules at Apache and my initial query to trademarks was to get a better > understanding of the rules. > > So far, based on information in the private discussion, things are going > the way you want them. > > -Alex > > On 1/5/14 11:38 PM, "Joseph Balderson" <n...@joeflash.ca> wrote: > >> Alex, how is Apache trademarks going to be aware of the full intent of the >> future site if you cannot forward the contents of my proposal detailed >> above? I >> gotta be honest man, I am really not liking where this is going. Methinks >> it >> might have been better to allow me the opportunity to describe the >> project a >> little more formally before submitting a proposal on my behalf? I came to >> this >> list seeking advice on protocol, not to have the trademark request >> submitted >> without my knowledge. >> >> Please advise. >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> Joseph Balderson, Flex & Flash Platform Developer :: http://joeflash.ca >> Author, Professional Flex 3 :: http://tinyurl.com/proflex3book >> >> Alex Harui wrote: >>> Trademarks is a private list so I can't forward without permission. I >>> will say that I did get a response today and the answer was not an >>> unequivocal "no". More discussion has to happen in private before a >>> final >>> ruling is made. >>> >>> -Alex >>> >>> On 1/4/14 12:44 PM, "Joseph Balderson" <n...@joeflash.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Alex. If you could forward me a copy of their reply off-list to >>>> jbdes...@joeflash.ca and/or forward them my email, that would be >>>> greatly >>>> appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Joseph Balderson, Flex & Flash Platform Developer :: http://joeflash.ca >>>> Author, Professional Flex 3 :: http://tinyurl.com/proflex3book >>>> >>>> Joseph Balderson wrote: >>>>> My only concern is that, in the absence of the details contained in my >>>>> formal >>>>> request as outlined below, the initial contact to Apache trademarks >>>>> regarding >>>>> this issue might not constitute "putting our best foot forward" in >>>>> having this >>>>> use case approved. And since I do not know the content of your initial >>>>> communication to them on my behalf, I cannot say one way or another. >>>>> It >>>>> would >>>>> ease my mind to know that Apache were aware of the contents of my >>>>> proposal >>>>> before reaching a verdict, which is why I wonder if waiting to send >>>>> them this >>>>> information would be the wisest course of action. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks very much for your help, >>>>> >>>>> Joseph >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Joseph Balderson, Flex & Flash Platform Developer :: >>>>> http://joeflash.ca >>>>> Author, Professional Flex 3 :: http://tinyurl.com/proflex3book >>>>> >>>>> Alex Harui wrote: >>>>>> Joe, >>>>>> >>>>>> If it were me, I'd wait until Tuesday to contact trademarks@a.o. >>>>>> I've >>>>>> already asked trademarks for their guidance on this matter and they >>>>>> haven't responded yet. I did see trademarks answer another email, >>>>>> but >>>>>> they may not be fully engaged and caught up on everything until >>>>>> Monday. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest tweaking it a bit to make it clear you've read the >>>>>> domain >>>>>> name policy documents on the Apache site, otherwise the first >>>>>> response >>>>>> you >>>>>> get might just be a pointer to those documents. It is pretty clear >>>>>> to >>>>>> me >>>>>> from those documents that you will have to have a disclaimer on your >>>>>> site. >>>>>> IMO, asking "if desired" implies that you haven't read those >>>>>> documents. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Alex >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/3/14 7:17 PM, "Joseph Balderson" <n...@joeflash.ca> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> FYI, here is my official request proposal to Apache. Alex, if you >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> be so >>>>>>> kind as to forward this on to the folks at Apache that would be >>>>>>> greatly >>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> January 3, 2014 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To Who It May Concern, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My name is Joseph Balderson, and I am a professional ActionScript >>>>>>> 3.0 >>>>>>> developer >>>>>>> of 13 years, and a specialist Flex developer for 8 years now as of >>>>>>> January 2014. >>>>>>> I have been, in my professional life as an ActionScript developer, >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> Adobe-certified Trainer, a teacher of Flash programming at Humber >>>>>>> College >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> Toronto, a speaker at user groups, and a professional tech writer. I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> tech >>>>>>> edited a number of books by Peachpit, Friends of Ed and O'Reilly, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> 2009 I >>>>>>> lead a 6-person team to write a 1400-page book Professional Adobe >>>>>>> Flex 3 >>>>>>> by Wrox >>>>>>> Publishing, rated 4.5 out of 5 stars on Amazon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With the migration of the Flex framework from Adobe to Apache, good >>>>>>> internet >>>>>>> resources for Flex have fallen through the cracks, namely Tour De >>>>>>> Flex and >>>>>>> flexexamples.com, both of which have functioned as essential >>>>>>> micro-tutorial >>>>>>> resources for the beginner, a quick reference for the more >>>>>>> experienced >>>>>>> programmer, and visibility on its use to managers and stakeholders. >>>>>>> These >>>>>>> two >>>>>>> resources have yet to be migrated/updated to Apache Flex. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thus, seeing a need in the programming community, and wanting to >>>>>>> help >>>>>>> restore >>>>>>> and promote the adoption of Flex for its own sake, I have purchased >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> domain >>>>>>> apacheflexexamples.com, with the intention of turning it into a >>>>>>> micro-tutorial >>>>>>> site with the same purpose and intent of the former >>>>>>> flexexamples.com. >>>>>>> (An >>>>>>> archive of the site as it existed prior to Flex's migration from >>>>>>> Adobe to >>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>> in 2012 can be seen here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20111010030748/http://blog.flexexamples.c >>>>>>> om >>>>>>> / >>>>>>> ). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To be specific, the purpose and features of apacheflexexamples.com >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> include: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) provide blog-like micro-tutorials; >>>>>>> 2) will be administrated and authored by myself, Joseph Balderson >>>>>>> 3) tutorials will be short, on average "single page", thus no code >>>>>>> repository or >>>>>>> downloads of any kind will be necessary; >>>>>>> 4) where possible the most recent version of Apache Flex will be >>>>>>> used >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> indicated; >>>>>>> 5) an average of one post per business day will be issued on the >>>>>>> site; >>>>>>> 6) commenting will be disabled, and users will be encouraged to >>>>>>> discuss >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> tutorials on the official us...@flex.apache.org list; >>>>>>> 7) an email address will be set up where users can contact the >>>>>>> administrator >>>>>>> (me) for the specific purpose of pointing out typos or problems >>>>>>> specific >>>>>>> to the >>>>>>> examples which are non-specific to Flex framework errata issues; >>>>>>> 8) a resource/"blogroll" list of resource links will be situated in >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> prominent >>>>>>> location in the left or right column so as to help users refer to >>>>>>> official >>>>>>> Apache Flex resources; >>>>>>> 9) if desired, to avoid confusion with official Apache websites, a >>>>>>> disclaimer >>>>>>> similar to what is currently used in book titles and other >>>>>>> publications >>>>>>> will be >>>>>>> indicated at the top of every page, "Apache, Apache Flex, and Flex >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. Used with permission. >>>>>>> No >>>>>>> endorsement by The Apache Software Foundation is implied by the use >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> these marks." >>>>>>> 10) no personal promotions (other than an author credit on my part), >>>>>>> nor >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> product reviews, endorsements or sales of any kind will be permitted >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> site: it is strictly for micro-tutorials pertaining to the Apache >>>>>>> Flex >>>>>>> framework. (See the flexexamples.com archive as an example) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In addition, if there comes a time when I am no longer willing or >>>>>>> able to >>>>>>> administer the site or keep up a reasonable posting frequency, I >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> commit in >>>>>>> writing to donating the domain and the site administration to the >>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>> Flex group. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The aim is to have a few dozen examples blogged and ready to go >>>>>>> prior >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> launch >>>>>>> sometime in February of 2014. A private beta will be issued, to be >>>>>>> reviewed by >>>>>>> the Apache Flex development team (and the legal department at Apache >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> such is >>>>>>> desired) to ensure everyone concerned is satisfied with the end >>>>>>> result >>>>>>> prior to >>>>>>> launch. Once the site is launched, posting frequency will be as >>>>>>> indicated >>>>>>> above. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All this to say that I am very vested and interested in conserving >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quality >>>>>>> and integrity of the Apache Flex name. And in order to help increase >>>>>>> positive >>>>>>> adoption of Apache Flex usage, I have purchased this domain with the >>>>>>> intent of >>>>>>> continuing on the work of the esteemed former Adobe employee Peter >>>>>>> DeHaan >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> flexexamples.com with a new site. In the spirit of this intent, I >>>>>>> humbly >>>>>>> request >>>>>>> your permission to use the Apache trademark in the domain name >>>>>>> apacheflexexamples.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joseph Balderson >>>>>>> Flex Developer & Tech Writer >>>>>>> http://www.joeflash.ca >>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/joeflash >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/proflex3book >>>>>>> >>> > >
