On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Maurice Amsellem < maurice.amsel...@systar.com> wrote:
> > No, it isn't about being ashamed. Given the kinds of people I met at the > one ApacheCon I went to, I biased this presentation towards folks who don't > know Flex, AS, MXML, and Flash. > Ok, so it's on purpose. > > >Hmm. I think the whole point of FlexJS is to create a framework that > runs without Flash and a key factor is the impact from decisions and > statements made by Jobs and Adobe. > > > Are you >saying that enough time has passed that these decisions and > statements are no longer a factor? > >I'm not hearing that. Folks still seem to want to make sure their future > isn't tied to Flash. > >But I probably don't talk to as many customers as you might. > > It's a difficult matter, not easy to discuss by email, even more so > writing not in my mother tongue, so sorry in advance if I get misunderstood. > > You can say that FlexJS will work also on JavaScript, and I think that > alone is enough to attract people, you don't need to "shoot down" on Flash. > > "FlexJS is the power of MXML and AS brought to the javascript world" > And this has nothing to do with Flash, actually, but rather on the current > weaknesses of javascript. > > Once again, for many "non developers" around me, they don't make the > difference between Flex and Flash, and statements like this one, > especially coming from "Apache Flex PMC" himself, could be harmful if they > fall in "non-educated" ears. > > Will it decrease the value of FlexJS, if you don't say that "Flash is not > desirable anymore"? > > What do others think? > > I agree that there is no need to ding Flash when talking about FlexJS. We are pushing releases of the Flex SDK that work on top of Flash/AIR on one side. We don't want to be saying on the other side that it is 'not a desirable' platform. Flash/AIR has a lot of positives(technically speaking). The only negative it has is that it does not run on iOS and Android browsers. Perhaps we point to that fact that FlexJS solves this problem so that folks can continue to keep one single codebase for all major platforms in the world. Thanks, Om > Maurice > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] > Envoyé : lundi 24 mars 2014 21:42 > À : dev@flex.apache.org > Objet : Re: ApacheCon Slides > > > > On 3/24/14 1:30 PM, "Maurice Amsellem" <maurice.amsel...@systar.com> > wrote: > > >Flex.pdf > >Page 6: "Eclipse-based IDE" => not only (IDEA, FlashDevelop, etc..) > > > >Overall, the impression it gave me is that it's not describing "what's > >happening in Apache Flex Project", but rather an advertisement to > >attract new developers by telling them "Hey, there is not only AS in > >Flex, there are also other technologies, Java, Maven, so don't be > >afraid to come help us". > > > >Should we be ashamed of Flex being Flex, ActionScript and Flash ? > No, it isn't about being ashamed. Given the kinds of people I met at the > one ApacheCon I went to, I biased this presentation towards folks who don't > know Flex, AS, MXML, and Flash. > > > > > > > > >FlexJS.pdf: > >I think there is a major problem with these slides, starting from page 1: > >"Flex without Flash" > >"Flash based solutions no longer desirable". > >Etc.. > > > >For many people people Flex == Flash. So if you say "flash is not > >desirable anymore", they will understand Flex is not desirable anymore. > >I don't think this is what we are want. > > > >Sorry for being harsh, but I think we have had enough with Steve Jobs > >and Abobe PR. > Hmm. I think the whole point of FlexJS is to create a framework that runs > without Flash and a key factor is the impact from decisions and statements > made by Jobs and Adobe. Are you saying that enough time has passed that > these decisions and statements are no longer a factor? I'm not hearing > that. Folks still seem to want to make sure their future isn't tied to > Flash. But I probably don't talk to as many customers as you might. > > -Alex > >
