On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Maurice Amsellem < maurice.amsel...@systar.com> wrote:
> The only negative it has is that it does not run on iOS and Android > browsers. > > That's true, but subtle. > And once again, we need to be careful about the possible confusion. > > When you say "Flash/AIR does not run on iOS and Android browsers", some > (many?) people understand "Flex does not run on iOS and Android". > > It happened around me many times. > > Happens to me all the time. Which is why we need to make more noise about it. The ApacheCon presentations could definitely be used to spread these messages. Thanks, Om > WDYT? > > Maurice > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : omup...@gmail.com [mailto:omup...@gmail.com] De la part de OmPrakash > Muppirala > Envoyé : lundi 24 mars 2014 23:28 > À : dev@flex.apache.org > Objet : Re: ApacheCon Slides > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Maurice Amsellem < > maurice.amsel...@systar.com> wrote: > > > > No, it isn't about being ashamed. Given the kinds of people I met at > > > the > > one ApacheCon I went to, I biased this presentation towards folks who > > don't know Flex, AS, MXML, and Flash. > > Ok, so it's on purpose. > > > > >Hmm. I think the whole point of FlexJS is to create a framework that > > runs without Flash and a key factor is the impact from decisions and > > statements made by Jobs and Adobe. > > > > > Are you >saying that enough time has passed that these decisions and > > statements are no longer a factor? > > >I'm not hearing that. Folks still seem to want to make sure their > > >future > > isn't tied to Flash. > > >But I probably don't talk to as many customers as you might. > > > > It's a difficult matter, not easy to discuss by email, even more so > > writing not in my mother tongue, so sorry in advance if I get > misunderstood. > > > > You can say that FlexJS will work also on JavaScript, and I think that > > alone is enough to attract people, you don't need to "shoot down" on > Flash. > > > > "FlexJS is the power of MXML and AS brought to the javascript world" > > And this has nothing to do with Flash, actually, but rather on the > > current weaknesses of javascript. > > > > Once again, for many "non developers" around me, they don't make the > > difference between Flex and Flash, and statements like this one, > > especially coming from "Apache Flex PMC" himself, could be harmful if > > they fall in "non-educated" ears. > > > > Will it decrease the value of FlexJS, if you don't say that "Flash is > > not desirable anymore"? > > > > What do others think? > > > > > I agree that there is no need to ding Flash when talking about FlexJS. We > are pushing releases of the Flex SDK that work on top of Flash/AIR on one > side. We don't want to be saying on the other side that it is 'not a > desirable' platform. > > Flash/AIR has a lot of positives(technically speaking). The only negative > it has is that it does not run on iOS and Android browsers. Perhaps we > point to that fact that FlexJS solves this problem so that folks can > continue to keep one single codebase for all major platforms in the world. > > Thanks, > Om > > > > > > Maurice > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Envoyé : lundi 24 mars 2014 > > 21:42 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: ApacheCon Slides > > > > > > > > On 3/24/14 1:30 PM, "Maurice Amsellem" <maurice.amsel...@systar.com> > > wrote: > > > > >Flex.pdf > > >Page 6: "Eclipse-based IDE" => not only (IDEA, FlashDevelop, etc..) > > > > > >Overall, the impression it gave me is that it's not describing > > >"what's happening in Apache Flex Project", but rather an > > >advertisement to attract new developers by telling them "Hey, there > > >is not only AS in Flex, there are also other technologies, Java, > > >Maven, so don't be afraid to come help us". > > > > > >Should we be ashamed of Flex being Flex, ActionScript and Flash ? > > No, it isn't about being ashamed. Given the kinds of people I met at > > the one ApacheCon I went to, I biased this presentation towards folks > > who don't know Flex, AS, MXML, and Flash. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FlexJS.pdf: > > >I think there is a major problem with these slides, starting from page > 1: > > >"Flex without Flash" > > >"Flash based solutions no longer desirable". > > >Etc.. > > > > > >For many people people Flex == Flash. So if you say "flash is not > > >desirable anymore", they will understand Flex is not desirable anymore. > > >I don't think this is what we are want. > > > > > >Sorry for being harsh, but I think we have had enough with Steve Jobs > > >and Abobe PR. > > Hmm. I think the whole point of FlexJS is to create a framework that > > runs without Flash and a key factor is the impact from decisions and > > statements made by Jobs and Adobe. Are you saying that enough time > > has passed that these decisions and statements are no longer a factor? > > I'm not hearing that. Folks still seem to want to make sure their > > future isn't tied to Flash. But I probably don't talk to as many > customers as you might. > > > > -Alex > > > > >
