Hi Toni,

One question, how do we manage to make all the aspects we are discussing
here with the day by day reality of how this community is really working?
See
https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1749#issuecomment-2630540808


On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 8:48 AM Toni Rikkola <trikk...@redhat.com> wrote:

> Sure Jason. I don't think anything I wrote here is original. Apache
> provides the minimum and then projects like Kafka add more on top of that.
> I will find the different takes on this and reference them in the wiki
> page.
>
> Toni
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 6:04 PM Jason Porter <lightguar...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I have not given this a thorough read through just yet, but on a quick
> > read through, I'm not seeing any references for things. I think we need
> to
> > stay grounded with what the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) has in place
> > (I know it isn't a lot) in general, and we can also pull ideas from other
> > Top Level Projects (TLPs). I know this proposal idea for example is used
> in
> > a couple of places: Groovy, Kafka, and probably others, I know for sure
> > those two use a similar system. I don't think it makes sense for us to
> > reinvent the wheel if we don't need to. It also helps others that are
> > familiar with the way things are done in other projects to understand
> > where/why we made decisions.
> >
> > Toni, would you be able to add references to the proposal wiki page?
> >
> > On 2025/01/31 08:20:00 Toni Rikkola wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > This is a proposal I created based on the discussion that happened in
> > > [DISCUSSION] Discussion, proposal and voting process-Apache Mail
> Archives
> > > <https://lists.apache.org/thread/tzqhh1qg9yr7v6wk0bwnk921y15yr0qk>
> > >
> > > It is time to eat my own dog food and prove discussion is not just a
> > group
> > > of people dreaming. This proposal will lead to a vote and action will
> be
> > > taken if the vote is approved.
> > >
> > > The goal I have is to form community guidelines and this is the first
> > item
> > > and step we need to agree on.
> > > Everyone is welcomed to give feedback and suggest additionals, removal,
> > > fixing a type or change of wording. Preferred way is to use this list,
> > but
> > > if you direct message me I will reference the request here anonymously.
> > >
> > > I will edit the wiki page based on requests I see fitting and then pass
> > it
> > > to voting once I feel it is good enough.
> > >
> > > [PROPOSAL] Community guideline to define discussion, proposal and vote
> -
> > > Apache KIE - Apache Software Foundation
> > > <
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KIE/%5BPROPOSAL%5D+Community+guideline+to+define+discussion%2C+proposal+and+vote
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > Toni Rikkola
> > >
> >
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