El jue, 11-05-2006 a las 00:08 +0200, Michael Wechner escribió: > Thorsten Scherler wrote: > > >El mié, 10-05-2006 a las 14:11 +0200, Michael Wechner escribió: > > > > > >>Thorsten Scherler wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Now that Lenya is a top-level Apache project, one of > >>>our jobs is to produce the "Project Guidelines". I > >>>committed the initial document. I mainly svn cp > >>>the ones from forrest and s/Forrest/Lenya/g. > >>>Further I updated the guidelines and our site.xml when needed. > >>> > >>>The current content is in our staging documentation. > >>>http://lenya.zones.apache.org/docu/guidelines.html > >>>Please everyone send feedback to this list. Current committers can tweak > >>>the xdoc at > >>>guidelines.xml but please discuss major changes. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>since we started with something which we haven't agreed yet and has not > >>started with > >>a blank paper, I suggest that people just put in their opinion, without > >>deleting others opinions, > >>whereas I don't see any reasons to discuss these opinions at the moment, > >>but rather at a later stage. > >> > >> > > > >Let me point out that the guidelines should have been done by the end of > >2004. I created this document/proposal as a quick start to have a basis > >for discussion. > > > > > > it makes sense to refer to it for discussion, but not to start with.
WHAT? Please, look up *any* dev archive here on apache and you find proposals to start discussions. Why the hack this is now different here? > > >Like I said in the first mail "This initial document is intended as a > >discussion starter." IMO it does not makes sense *at all* that we start > >to add different opinions to the document. We should review the proposal > >and change the parts that we do not agree on. > > > > > > well, this means I just delete everything which I don't like, right?! No, like said we should review and discuss this points. Not going ahead and delete something. I am tiered to repeat myself: El mié, 10-05-2006 a las 10:20 +0200, Thorsten Scherler escribió: > Current committers can tweak the xdoc at > guidelines.xml but please discuss major changes. > > And you probably put everything back ... > > Brave new democracy ... That is the reason why we need to *discuss* it and not what *you* suggested adding and deleting stuff. We need to find a consensus and I do not agree on a blank paper as consensus for our guidelines. > > > > > > >>Otherwise we should start with a blank paper ... > >> > >> > > > >Like the blank paper that we now have since becoming a top level? > > > > > > one shouldn't mix these two things WHAT? I am not mixing anything! That is a fact! We do not have any guidelines which we suppose to have. Now you are talking about starting with a blank paper, without even reading my proposal. The proposal is *way* better then the blank paper we have until I added the proposal. ...and yes what you suggest is the same blank paper that we now have since becoming a top level! > > >Please can we agree that it makes sense to have a basis and not a blank > >paper. > > > > > > I would like to start with a blank paper where we start with a > "Contents", e.g. > > The role of a committer > The role of a PMC member > The role of a PMC chair > > and then put in people's opinion. I cannot believe you. That is in the proposal! Just read it! > > I have no problem that people use ideas from other guidelines, but if > you really want to play this fair What have fairness to do with my proposal? Seriously you seems to see ghosts! > then we need start with blank page > allowing > an actual discussion. what? we always discuss things based on proposals! > > Do you want to play fair? What have fairness to do with my proposal? It is a proposal, read it, that is what I think is fair! If you have problems with special points from the proposal then let us discuss them. That is fair. Until then, please, stop the paranoia about political conspiracies. salu2 -- thorsten "Together we stand, divided we fall!" Hey you (Pink Floyd) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
