yes, and when you get into the realms of govt. procurement you're often talking about companies with zero talent slipping into the net... Recently saw some design proofs that could've been done by a young child.. on MS Word... and the company saying very straight-faced that it was a month's work!
-----Original Message----- From: Duncan Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 January 2004 16:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CF Salaries I believe the agencies are having to compete very hard. One way is in (so-called) 'quality' of candidates presented. This is where the 'years & buzzwords' game creeps in, because they don't have time for (and the clients would not understand) a proper evaluation (either psychometric or practical). IMHO the real problem is that in many corporates the 'procurement mafia' have captured the personnel contracting area and the people with actual responsibility (PM's) can no longer choose their agencies. Procurement people are good at managing money, but usually piss-poor at managing risk (except of course for their own backsides). Most can only work with a 'commodity' model as opposed to a 'talent' one. Which is where we came in. My 2p, YMMV. Duncan -----Original Message----- From: Alex Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 January 2004 21:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CF Salaries Hmmm, I think that years experience doesn’t actually count for much, this isnt like being a solictor where its all about experience, the technology changes all the time, but recruitment agencies especially have this real hang up. I remember not getting a contract because although a certified cf instructor I hadn't put down fusebox on my application, and hadnt been using CF for 6 years (at the time) I mean come on ! I think for me breadth of experience is more important. Id rather hire a true programmer who'd been using CF for one year than say an html guy who had actually been using CF and ASP for 3 years but had no real CS or programming background. So I think years isn't really a good way of hiring but people evidently do focus on this. Also for me CF is very much only part of the story, knowledge of Oracle or SQL Server coding, XML and Java would be more important to me. Plus if the programmer had a clue about design patterns, architecture and could deal with client interaction that plays a big part of a salary decision. Therefore I think years is pretty irrelevant. Saying that I reckon a good 3-4 year CF developer (though I consider java with CFMX to be important) plus all the other stuff should be 35-40k ish. That’s just what Id expect. But for more middle weight developers with maybe intermediate SQL, CF, HTML, Javascript, maybe a bit of java but certainly no architect, 25K My 2p Alex --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 11/12/2003 -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
