Now Damien, don't get me started on the competence of govt. suppliers, you know what happens :-)
Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: Damien Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 January 2004 17:53 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CF Salaries > > > yes, and when you get into the realms of govt. procurement > you're often talking about companies with zero talent > slipping into the net... Recently saw some design proofs that > could've been done by a young child.. on MS Word... and the > company saying very straight-faced that it was a month's work! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 10 January 2004 16:19 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CF Salaries > > > I believe the agencies are having to compete very hard. One way is in > (so-called) 'quality' of candidates presented. This is where > the 'years & buzzwords' game creeps in, because they don't > have time for (and the clients would not understand) a proper > evaluation (either psychometric or practical). > > IMHO the real problem is that in many corporates the > 'procurement mafia' have captured the personnel contracting > area and the people with actual responsibility (PM's) can no > longer choose their agencies. Procurement people are good at > managing money, but usually piss-poor at managing risk > (except of course for their own backsides). Most can only > work with a 'commodity' model as opposed to a 'talent' one. > Which is where we came in. > > My 2p, YMMV. > Duncan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 09 January 2004 21:48 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CF Salaries > > > Hmmm, > > I think that years experience doesn't actually count for > much, this isnt like being a solictor where its all about > experience, the technology changes all the time, but > recruitment agencies especially have this real hang up. I > remember not getting a contract because although a certified > cf instructor I hadn't put down fusebox on my application, > and hadnt been using CF for 6 years (at the time) I mean come on ! > > I think for me breadth of experience is more important. Id > rather hire a true programmer who'd been using CF for one > year than say an html guy who had actually been using CF and > ASP for 3 years but had no real CS or programming background. > So I think years isn't really a good way of hiring but people > evidently do focus on this. > > Also for me CF is very much only part of the story, knowledge > of Oracle or SQL Server coding, XML and Java would be more > important to me. > > Plus if the programmer had a clue about design patterns, > architecture and could deal with client interaction that > plays a big part of a salary decision. > > Therefore I think years is pretty irrelevant. > > Saying that I reckon a good 3-4 year CF developer (though I > consider java with CFMX to be important) plus all the other > stuff should be 35-40k ish. That's just what Id expect. But > for more middle weight developers with maybe intermediate > SQL, CF, HTML, Javascript, maybe a bit of java but certainly > no architect, 25K > > My 2p > > Alex > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 11/12/2003 > > > > > -- > ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
