I don't have strong feelings for whether we have one list of two, i.e. issues@ 
and builds@ - I'll subscribe to them anyways. A benefit of the latter is that 
the list names are intuituve and self describing.
I guess the strongest argument against would be that many will not subscribe 
and miss out on important events. But what I think will happen is that a 
majority of committers will follow the new lists and should there be events 
that require disussion, bring those to dev@. 

In fact I'd argue that the new list(s) be announce only, not accepting email 
from others than the bots. This would force discussions over to dev@ to the 
benefit of all.

Wrt a commit breaking the build, I would assume that Jenkins is able to email 
all committers that did a commit in a broken build?

--
Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com

> 8. aug. 2019 kl. 00:17 skrev Shawn Heisey <[email protected]>:
> 
> On 8/6/2019 5:17 PM, Jan Høydahl wrote:
>> Personally I think the ratio of notifications vs human emails is a bit too 
>> high. I fear external devs who just want to follow the project may get 
>> overwhelmed and unsubscribe.
>> One suggestion is therefore to add a new list where detailed JIRA comments 
>> and Github comments / reviews go. All committers should of course subscribe!
>> I saw the Zookeeper project have a notifications@ list for GitHub comments 
>> and issues@ for JIRA comments (Except the first [Created] email for a JIRA 
>> will also go to dev@)
>> The Maven project follows the same scheme and they also send Jenkins mails 
>> to the notifications@ list. The Cassandra project seems to divert all jira 
>> comments to the commits@ list.
>> The HBase project has keeps only [Created]/[Resolved] mails on dev@ and all 
>> other from Jira/GH on issues@ list and Jenkins mails on a separate builds@ 
>> list.
>> Is it time we did something similar? I propose a single new notifications@ 
>> list for everything JIRA, GitHub and Jenkins but keep [Created|Resolved] 
>> mails on dev@
> 
> If it weren't for server-side filtering on my mail server (sieve/dovecot), 
> I'd probably have brought this up a LONG time ago. :) The filtering separates 
> all those things out into their own folders so my "lucene-dev" folder shows 
> only human-generated traffic for the most part.
> 
> I'm also subscribed to commits, and that goes to its own folder too.
> 
> +1 to this idea.  Having separate lists would mean my filters will be more 
> reliable, and people who have an interest in dev discussions without tons of 
> computer-generated junk can join us.
> 
> Here's my bikeshed paint:
> 
> issues@ for detailed Jira/GH activity.
> builds@ for things like Jenkins.
> I'm ambivalent about whether dev should get the created/resolved activity 
> from Jira/GH.  I can see arguments both ways.
> 
> Thanks,
> Shawn
> 
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