Hi, On 2006-02-04, at 13:23 , Steven Pauwels wrote:
Hi Louis,Hmmm, okay, but I do believe I read only marketing and art lists and I only mingle in the discussions that are going on there, or comment on them, or express my oppinion. So if I do not agree with what is discussed on marketing lists, and it seems to me like there are some discussions about fundamentals for marketing going on... , I can not post it in the marketing list? I thought it is to be an open community... so that is why I keep to the list where the issue is started...
The point is that MP gets a lot of OT discussions--like this one--and it drives people off and otherwise saps the force of this particular project. Things do not get done, often because of the OT discussions. More importantly, some discussions maintained here have project-wide significance; infrastructure discussions that affect the entire project obviously is one such sort. Hence, my desire to ensure that discussions that affect more than just the MP, and are OT to MP, as your proposal does and is, include more than the MP. The discuss@ list is frequented by developers and contributors of all sorts, and is the logical place for discussions having to do with infrastructure.
Actually, I can not agree to post anything that regards marketing in another list, even if my post contains comments on the CC. My intrests are marketing. Nothing else...
No, you misinterpret me or we are not communicating. I understand you to be proposing a discussion on the infrastructure that affects the entire project. That is not a marketing issue; it's a project issue.
The CC obviously is involved, and as it discussed in the meeting, is alive to continuing discussions.
This subject does not touch infrastructure, it expresses criticism on it. Take it and use it constructively. Listen to the ones that should actually get things done.
You mean you are criticizing the CC and not the infrastructure. But you write, "It is clear that the tools provided by SUN do mot match the needs of the community.... very clear." That is a criticism of the infrastructure, and it is fine as it is; your prerogative. You also criticize the CC, to be sure, and question the motives; also fine. But both critiques are really not proper to the Marketing Project, which has to do with Marketing.
There are things that do need to be done here--you and I both agree-- but I feel that we are bogging down in discussions that are not really helping us get them done. If you want to maintain a critique of the CC and infrastructure (in whatever parts), then hold it on the [email protected] list.
But since this is an open community, I am shure this issue will find its way to the CC to be resolved.Why not resolve it in an open discussion where it started Louis?
Because the discussion should probably not have started here to begin with, as it pertains to the project as a whole and not to the focus of this particular project.
You also imply I am asking you to make the discussion closed. That is far from my desire. The [email protected] list is very open, more open indeed than this one.
Thanks, Steven P
-louis
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