On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 21:10 +0200, Cristian Driga wrote: > Every software tool has its own limitations. At first sight all tools > that we cannot use look like the *ideal* tools. :) > If we had for instance moodle installed by CN from the beginnings (5 > years ago), are we sure that everybody would've been happy and nobody > asked for more and more tools once new features were needed ? > > The real trick is how we put to use the tools we have. > > >> > <snip> > >> Wikipedia shows that you can give more freedom than was thought sensible > >> and by opening up the contributions more resources come to the table. > <snip> > > We do have the same software installed as Wikipedia and we can use it > for marketing. Why is it not used ? The Wiki therm has become pretty > synonim with freedom lately. But are we able to take advantage of this > freedom properly ?
Question is why not? Wiki software is free and easy to set up. Why is it assumed that we have to have just one megalithic site? Maybe it would be better to have a central site as we have with links to Wikis? Yes I know we already have started doing some things on this recently but I'm thinking of an active strategy to move everything on marketing to a Wiki. Alos to have meaningful URLs such as www.OOO.marketing.org or something that is easier to remember and easier to find. These seem like small things but every small thing makes it harder for a newcomer to join in. > >> Hosting > >> a Wiki is really trivial, getting one started is trivial, the > >> non-trivial bit is to get agreement from the CC to do it under the name > >> of OpenOffice.org. Personally I can't see any disadvantage in things > >> like the marketing project and documentation projects being wikis. > >> Probably a number of the others too but I don't know enough about them. > >> The advantage would be that it would be easier to contribute and any > >> lowering of the barriers to participation has to be a good thing. > >> > > The real *PROBLEM* is starting and continuing to use the wiki we > *already* have for some months now. > > This implies changes in the workflow to organize what is in there. It > lets us actually establish a good workflow for Marketing Project, keep > track of documents, contributors, have collective development of > documents, etc. Wiki software allows discussions alongside with the > document development which is also great. But this is exactly why this sort of discussion is on topic. Instead of getting bogged down in detail all the time look at the systems and procedures that make it easier to get the resource in to do these other things. > Let's take for instance the list of contributors and their skills which > was requested on another thread: > Having a wiki page with it in which each contributor can add > himself/herself with skills, availlability, etc should be trivial. > Who would like to initiate that page and maintain and advertise it to > newcomers ? I'm just suggesting we take a fresh look and instead of just grafting bits in here and there we plan the thng with some coherence. > Other thing would be to maintain a copy of the Marketing ToDo list in > the wiki. The page on the website can be updated through copy/paste on a > regular basis. Yes. > One tiny example of the wiki usage by a subproject of the Marketing > project is in Art Project (to quote Bernhard Dippold on this): > > ==== > There we started a sandbox for Art related themes: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Art_Project > > In there we just have three pages > 1. A To-Do-list with some kind of brainstorming: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoArt--Project_activities_planning > > 2. A (now quite finalized) draft on the OOo logo license: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoArt--OOo_logo_license > > 3. Tables that will contain all the artwork spread over Issuezilla to > sort it and update the Art Galleries afterwards: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/List_of_Artwork_%28IZ%29 > ==== > > So, to repeat myself, what we actually need is: > - coming up with a real workflow in the MP > - implement in the wiki style the current common workflows > - initiating the wiki pages for the Marketing Project > - organizing them in categories so that one does not get lost when there > will be too many > - encouraging usage and completion through wiki of the current and > future tasks. > - the finalized documents should be uploaded on the main OOo site on a > regular basis. Multumesc, Christian. Also more intuitive URLS. > > Lowering the barriers to participation is the first thing to do... The > > CC has to open them! > > > They are lowering day by day, but it seems that this should be > advertised better so that everybody sees it. And discussions like this help high-light them so they have value. -- Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ZMS Ltd --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
