On 6/30/06, eric b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Le 30 juin 06 à 22:05, Chad Smith a écrit : > The Community Manager. I'm not sure you are aware : OpenOffice.org project is managed by a Community Council. What means "Community Manager" ?
Louis is the Community Manager.- http://www.openoffice.org/lspintro.html He gave me permission to use the logo and the look of the site. You are not promoting the project correctly, and to promote a project
like OpenOffice.org, you have to respect rules.
"The rules?" There are rules to telling people about OpenOffice.org? Bull. There are no rules for supporting OpenOffice.org. Here's a real rule I'd like to introduce you to, it's call "free speech" - and it's actually a law - not just a rule. If I want to say "Use OpenOffice.org because it tastes better than horse turds." I can. If I want to say "Use OpenOffice.org - if you're an idiot!" I can do that too. And if I want to say "Use OpenOffice.org if you are on Linux or Windows - use NeoOffice if you are on Mac." There's nothing you can do to stop me. You don't like NeoOffice. Good for you. You can't stop me from promoting it. And you won't. Everyone must respect rules to make things work. Obviously you not,
and I disagree.
How does me having a site that promotes OOo on 3 out of 4 platforms make things not work? Where is it written ? Could you give me the archives you mean ? I can forward you the emails where I asked Louis for permission, and he told me to put up the disclaimer, and put it at the top, and I could have permission. Change the appearance, and remove the logo first. If I want my site to look like Microsoft's site - I can do that. And they'd have no right to make me change it, especially if Bill Gates gave me permission, and especially if I put up a disclaimer. I may change the site - but you can't tell me to change the site. But we are working hard to make a true Mac application, and you have
not the right to write what you wrote about our work : you don't respect us.
I don't know where you are from, but as an American, I have the right to say whatever I want. Especailly as a contributor to open source, you should understand that. It's called "Free, as in speech." If I want to say OpenOffice.org sucks - I can. If I want to say OpenOffice.org rocks - I can do that too. I have every right in the world to criticize any project or any part of a project I please. Just as you have every right to criticize my website - which you don't seem to have a problem doing.
It is not a Mac program. It's an > X11 program. We are working on it.
And until you finish it - I will tell my fellow Mac users to use NeoOffice. Why should they use something that you have just said was a mistake while you are working to fix it when there is a perfectly usable, easy-to-install, Aqua-fied version freely available?
On the other hand, NeoOffice is a Mac native program. No. this is wrong : Java is a short term workaround to make consumers believe it is, but it is not. And the way is long to replace Java.
I don't care if it runs on Java, Cocoa, Carbon, Classic, or a Nintendo64 emulator - if it works out of the box, and looks and feels like a Mac native program - then that's the one I'm going to support. Mac OS X comes with Java pre-installed by default. X11 is a special thing you have to add yourself from the DVD. If it's on the hard drive when I buy the computer - it is native. Java is native to Mac OS X. This is not OpenOffice.org project. Here, we have to defend
OpenOffice.org project. Do you understand ?
I have to do nothing. I will support OpenOffice.org because it works. My loyalities go as far as the results are there. If OOo stopped working tomorrow - I'd be promoting whatever is left - AbiWord / NeoOffice / ThinkFree Office - whatever. I'm not going to tell people to use a program that is inferior to another. OOo X11 is inferior to NeoOffice. It's slower, harder to install, uglier, and not native looking at all. When that changes (ie when OOo is Mac-Native) then I will promote users to get OOo for Mac. Until then, I will not promote it for end users. And Mac port of OpenOffice.org project is working on native port. When you have it released - then I will promote that. I will not promote the X11 port as long as there is a better alternative. We just inherit of years without any work in that direction, but we
progress
Great. Let me know when it's ready. No. Just some lines above, you exactly wrote the opposite. Tell me how anyone who went to whatisopenoffice.org would think that I didn't want you to use OpenOffice.org? Tell me how anyone who went to my site would think anything other than "This site makes me want to use OOo." I am promoting OpenOffice.org at my own expense, with my own free time - and somehow I'm having to defend my right to do so on, of all places, the OpenOffice.org Marketing List. This is not question of *my* work. I am not important : the project
is the most important. for the future, for social reasons too. This is question of respect OpenOffice.org project. Not sure you understand...
I respect results. OpenOffice.org has my respect because on most platforms, it is the best open source / free office suite available. On Mac, it is not. Social reasons? NeoOffice is just as open source as OpenOffice.org - more so, some would say, since it is GPL and not LGPL. The differences there don't matter to me. I think I prefer the LGPL, actually - it promotes more distribution. The point is - from an open source socio-political standpoint, either suite is acceptable. You know the solution : Yes, keep doing what I was doing. Because what you think of my efforts to support OOo and FLOSS in general, don't matter to me one bit. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
