*Please*, quote correctly ...
Chad Smith a écrit :
Louis is the Community Manager.-
http://www.openoffice.org/lspintro.html He
gave me permission to use the logo and the look of the site.
Like said Bernard : Louis was certainly not aware about the content of
your site when you asked.
You are not promoting the project correctly, and to promote a project
like OpenOffice.org, you have to respect rules.
"The rules?" There are rules to telling people about OpenOffice.org?
Bull. There are no rules for supporting OpenOffice.org.
One of OpenOffice.org Marketing project objective is "do OpenOffice.org
promotion".
This must be organized, and follow strict rules : the content is never
random, and every sentence must be precisely defined, located, ..etc.
e.g. if I need to promote Mac port officially, I'll ask. I always ask
advices, or opinions.
What you do is personnal site only, just your opinion, so change the
look, and remove the OpoenOfifce.org logo.
I want to say "Use OpenOffice.org if you are on Linux or Windows - use
NeoOffice if you are on Mac." There's nothing you can do to stop me.
One more time, you're promoting a derivated product, using agressive
words against our work, concerning Mac port.
This is not correct.
Good for you. You can't stop me from promoting it.
And you won't.
What do you mean ? Some people are helping you ?
Change the appearance, and remove the logo first.
If I want my site to look like Microsoft's site - I can do that. And
they'd have no right to make me change it, especially if Bill Gates gave me
permission, and especially if I put up a disclaimer. I may change the site
- but you can't tell me to change the site.
I'll ask the Community Council,
But we are working hard to make a true Mac application, and you have
not the right to write what you wrote about our work : you don't
respect us.
I don't know where you are from, but as an American, I have the right to
say whatever I want.
I see
do that too. I have every right in the world to criticize any project or
any part of a project I please. Just as you have every right to criticize
my website - which you don't seem to have a problem doing.
One more time, what I disagree is the fact you are using OpenOffice.org
logo and look to promote other products.
And until you finish it - I will tell my fellow Mac users to use NeoOffice.
If so, change the look of your site, and remove OpenOffice.org logo.
program - then that's the one I'm going to support. Mac OS X comes with
Java pre-installed by default. X11 is a special thing you have to add
yourself from the DVD. If it's on the hard drive when I buy the computer -
it is native. Java is native to Mac OS X.
Native means using either Cocoa or Carbon API. So Java is not more
native than X11 in this sense.
Java is an appearance, needs a lot of ram in runtime, and is a *short
term* solution for OpenOffice.org port.
What we are doing is a real solution : we start from scratch, more
exactly the begining, analyse everything, search a correct design (in
engineering terms).This needs a lot of time, resources and organisation.
And we have results : the last one is we can use menus, and ATS server
for ATSUI works (basically only, but it works).
Again, I'm defending a Team work and we are OpenOffice.org project. Neo
is not.
OpenOffice.org project. Do you understand ?
I have to do nothing. I will support OpenOffice.org because it works. My
loyalities go as far as the results are there. If OOo stopped working
tomorrow - I'd be promoting whatever is left - AbiWord / NeoOffice /
ThinkFree Office - whatever.
Up to you, really. But WHY do you need to use OpenOffice.org logo and
OpenOffice.org project look ?
This is lie, cheat, and leads to confuse Mac users.
I'm not going to tell people to use a program
that is inferior to another. OOo X11 is inferior to NeoOffice. It's
slower,
Not true. You perfectly know Neo uses Java, and Java needs a lot of RAM,
and will always leads to slow down the runtime.
Another example : font rendering using X11 is several times faster than
ATS server rendering.
If we cannot do the exact same rendering using X11 (but this is
possible), this is simply because of Apple Patents about kerning and
hinting (not authorized when using X11).
harder to install,
Yes, and no : OpenOffice.org installs using Drag and Drop. How do simplier ?
The problem is X11, since Apple complicates the task with X11 not
installed by default.
Yes, X11 is problematic for us.
uglier,
haha : just read the code :-)
and not native looking at all.
For the look, we use Aqua colors, since several months.
When you have it released - then I will promote that. I will not promote
the X11 port as long as there is a better alternative.
Why don't you encourage "objectively" our work *now* ?
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<ericb at openoffice |dot_ org>
Francophone OpenOffice.org Commmunity developer (Linux PPC / Mac OS X /
X11)
See : <http://fr.openoffice.org>
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