Hi Chad,
(next attempt to change the subject...)
Chad Smith wrote:
[...] And if I want to say "Use OpenOffice.org if you are on
Linux or Windows - use NeoOffice if you are on Mac." There's
nothing you can do to stop me. You don't like NeoOffice. Good
for you. You can't stop me from promoting it. And you won't.
You have been told why some people here in the OOo Marketing Project
dislike your website. You see that this is not only Eric's point of
view.
Keeping your page as it is without trying to understand why there is
a problem is kind of ignoring the concerns of team members in the MP
team - and we will be much more successful if we act as team instead
of acting as individuals with different aims.
[...] I'm not going to tell people to use a program that is
inferior to another. OOo X11 is inferior to NeoOffice. It's
slower, harder to install, uglier, and not native looking at all.
When that changes (ie when OOo is Mac-Native) then I will
promote users to get OOo for Mac. Until then, I will not promote
it for end users.
You don't need to promote it to end users, if you don't want to.
But if you want to promote OpenOffice.org as project (and not only
as product for Windows and Linux), it would be more precise to tell
the readers of your page that there is great work being done at the
Mac port even if you personally don't recommend it to end users
(after having tried the actual versions of course).
And please stop calling NeoOffice a "port" of OOo even if the
NeoOffice homepage calls it this way. You do know it better:
NeoOffice is a different program.
What you do in the moment is disregarding efforts done by the
community - with a short phrase this could be put in perspective.
When you have it [native Mac version] released - then I will
promote that.
So why don't you write about this effort on your homepage?
You don't either write that NeoOffice 2.0 is in Alpha stadium
("NeoOffice 2.0 Alpha 4 is a test release") - for productive work
they recommend MS Office!
[...]
Tell me how anyone who went to whatisopenoffice.org would think
that I didn't want you to use OpenOffice.org? Tell me how anyone
who went to my site would think anything other than "This site
makes me want to use OOo."
Every Mac user will be such a person.
They must think: "OOo for Mac sucks - I'll have to use NeoOffice."
I am promoting OpenOffice.org at my own expense, with my own free
time - and somehow I'm having to defend my right to do so on, of
all places, the OpenOffice.org Marketing List.
No - you don't have to defend your support for OOo. It's your
support for NeoOffice on a page in OOo look that alienates some of us.
Eric Bachard wrote:
This is question of respect OpenOffice.org project. Not sure
you understand...
I respect results. OpenOffice.org has my respect because on most
platforms, it is the best open source / free office suite
available. On Mac, it is not.
For me this reads: You don't support OpenOffice.org as project, you
only recommend it as product.
That's your right as individual, but I thought you to be an
OpenOffice.org community member - not "only" a supporter of FLOSS in
general and NeoOffice in special.
You know the solution :
Yes, keep doing what I was doing. Because what you think of my
efforts to support OOo and FLOSS in general, don't matter to me
one bit.
Doing that without using OOo's logo and layout would be the right way:
Nobody will be able to change your mind regarding OOoMac and NeoOffice.
But disrespecting the work done by the community on a page in
OpenOffice.org design makes the people involved in this project
upset - and in my eyes this reaction is easily understandable.
Best regards
Bernhard
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