humm, got that info from asking a few other members... Anyway, I think it is actually really a tiny hurdle to ask people to please ping us on the dev list and we will activate them in the wiki quickly.
LieGrue, strub --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration > To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:51 PM > No, we don't need to require a > contribution for the wiki because we > don't distribute it. At least this has > been the case as long as I > can remember, and I'm fairly certain it's standard Apache > practice > (otherwise we would not have wikis at the ASF). > > We do require an agreement to make changes to the official > documentation that we distribute, which is why it requires > svn access > to change. > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Folks, i might be that we have to remove the public > access without login anyway! > > > > I actually thought this restriction is already in > place. > > > > Remember the last time where Bart Kummel (still sad to > not recognice you for a shakehand at confess in Vienna btw!) > helped us with contributing a paragraph? He also had to file > an iCLA. > > > > That's for 'significant contributions' of course, but > a normal user must at least acknowledge the ALv2 license > rules if he likes to 'contribute' something. > > > > In Jira we have this 'can be included' checkmark for > patches. That's kind of the analogy I think we also would > need in moinmoin. In confluence we already have an excplicit > 'write' access, so this is not so problematic because that > 'ack ALv2' might be handled on the lists upfront. > > > > wdyt? > > > > LieGrue, > > strub > > > > --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration > >> To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> > >> Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:27 PM > >> The reality is that we don't use the > >> wiki for drafts. We use it to > >> allow anyone, including non-officially-recognized > >> committers, to create > >> MyFaces specific pages. I know Confluence as a > >> documentation system > >> is going away. It's unclear to me if > >> Confluence as a wiki is going > >> away. > >> I have never been involved with Confluence as an > >> administrator, but if > >> we can easily add anyone to the wiki space, that > could be a > >> workable > >> solution. If we go that route, we should > >> have something immediately > >> obvious which describes the process to get > access. > >> > >> My opinion: > >> > >> Spam isn't a problem so far (going on several > years > >> here). Major > >> spam attacks get cleaned up by infra and are very > rare (I > >> can recall > >> only three). Minor ones happen rarely, and > >> are easy to clean up > >> ourselves. The benefit of an open wiki far > >> outweighs the spam > >> cleanup costs. I suspect that the work to > >> maintain users for > >> Confluence will be greater than the work we spend > cleaning > >> up spam. > >> And as soon as we introduce a delay (getting > authorized), > >> then we will > >> lose contributions. I know I've tried to > >> edit certain wikis, but for > >> the minor change I wanted to make, it wasn't worth > coming > >> back at some > >> later time after I had gone through the process of > being > >> authorized. > >> > >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Gerhard > Petracek > >> <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > thx mike for moving the thread. > >> > it looks like it's getting more and i don't > like to > >> observe it. > >> > we already said that we move away from [1]. > >> > instead of keeping the dev-wiki at [1] for > drafts,... > >> it might be better to > >> > create a separate myfaces-dev space at > confluence. > >> > so we can add new contributors quite fast and > if they > >> submit spam, we can > >> > remove them easily. > >> > that's also the suggestion of the > infrastructure team > >> (at least of some of > >> > them who responded to my question). > >> > regards, > >> > gerhard > >> > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/ > >> > > >> > http://www.irian.at > >> > > >> > Your JSF powerhouse - > >> > JSF Consulting, Development and > >> > Courses in English and German > >> > > >> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >> > > >> > > >> > 2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > >> >> > >> >> Moving to dev. > >> >> > >> >> Neither Confluence nor the Apache CMS is > a good > >> replacement for a > >> >> wiki. Unfortunately, there doesn't > appear to be > >> a better option for > >> >> this yet (an unrestricted group > documentation > >> area). Spam is part of > >> >> the price you have to pay to have such an > area, > >> and we've been pretty > >> >> fortunate to not have had that much of an > issue > >> with it. > >> >> > >> >> There was a discussion on various > documentation > >> systems on Cayenne > >> >> that you might find helpful: > >> >> > >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg06028.html > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard > Petracek > >> >> <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > yes - we said we move the content > for our > >> users to confluence but maybe > >> >> > it's > >> >> > a better idea to wait until apache > cms is > >> useable (pdf export,...). > >> >> > > >> >> > regards, > >> >> > gerhard > >> >> > http://www.irian.at > >> >> > > >> >> > Your JSF powerhouse - > >> >> > JSF Consulting, Development and > >> >> > Courses in English and German > >> >> > > >> >> > Professional Support for Apache > MyFaces > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I realized that our Wiki front > page is > >> pretty old (not to say outdated) > >> >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage > >> >> >> > >> >> >> LieGrue, > >> >> >> strub > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >
