oh thats bad then ;) Of course lets first figure out all options and then do a quick vote on it, ok?
LieGrue, strub --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration > To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 3:07 PM > I don't think moving to Confluence > will fix the problem. If I > recall, people can add comments to confluence pages without > needing to > authenticate. > So we'll just be changing it from page spam to comment > spam. > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Gerhard Petracek > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > i agree with mark. > > furthermore, we >have< drafts at the wiki and > the results get included and > > released. > > regards, > > gerhard > > > > http://www.irian.at > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > Courses in English and German > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > >> > >> humm, got that info from asking a few other > members... > >> > >> Anyway, I think it is actually really a tiny > hurdle to ask people to > >> please ping us on the dev list and we will > activate them in the wiki > >> quickly. > >> > >> > >> LieGrue, > >> strub > >> > >> --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > >> > Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki > migration > >> > To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> > >> > Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:51 PM > >> > No, we don't need to require a > >> > contribution for the wiki because we > >> > don't distribute it. At least this has > >> > been the case as long as I > >> > can remember, and I'm fairly certain it's > standard Apache > >> > practice > >> > (otherwise we would not have wikis at the > ASF). > >> > > >> > We do require an agreement to make changes to > the official > >> > documentation that we distribute, which is > why it requires > >> > svn access > >> > to change. > >> > > >> > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark > Struberg <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > Folks, i might be that we have to remove > the public > >> > access without login anyway! > >> > > > >> > > I actually thought this restriction is > already in > >> > place. > >> > > > >> > > Remember the last time where Bart Kummel > (still sad to > >> > not recognice you for a shakehand at confess > in Vienna btw!) > >> > helped us with contributing a paragraph? He > also had to file > >> > an iCLA. > >> > > > >> > > That's for 'significant contributions' > of course, but > >> > a normal user must at least acknowledge the > ALv2 license > >> > rules if he likes to 'contribute' something. > >> > > > >> > > In Jira we have this 'can be included' > checkmark for > >> > patches. That's kind of the analogy I think > we also would > >> > need in moinmoin. In confluence we already > have an excplicit > >> > 'write' access, so this is not so problematic > because that > >> > 'ack ALv2' might be handled on the lists > upfront. > >> > > > >> > > wdyt? > >> > > > >> > > LieGrue, > >> > > strub > >> > > > >> > > --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger > <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > >> > >> Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki > migration > >> > >> To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> > >> > >> Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:27 > PM > >> > >> The reality is that we don't use > the > >> > >> wiki for drafts. We use it to > >> > >> allow anyone, including > non-officially-recognized > >> > >> committers, to create > >> > >> MyFaces specific pages. I know > Confluence as a > >> > >> documentation system > >> > >> is going away. It's unclear to > me if > >> > >> Confluence as a wiki is going > >> > >> away. > >> > >> I have never been involved with > Confluence as an > >> > >> administrator, but if > >> > >> we can easily add anyone to the wiki > space, that > >> > could be a > >> > >> workable > >> > >> solution. If we go that route, > we should > >> > >> have something immediately > >> > >> obvious which describes the process > to get > >> > access. > >> > >> > >> > >> My opinion: > >> > >> > >> > >> Spam isn't a problem so far (going > on several > >> > years > >> > >> here). Major > >> > >> spam attacks get cleaned up by infra > and are very > >> > rare (I > >> > >> can recall > >> > >> only three). Minor ones happen > rarely, and > >> > >> are easy to clean up > >> > >> ourselves. The benefit of an > open wiki far > >> > >> outweighs the spam > >> > >> cleanup costs. I suspect that > the work to > >> > >> maintain users for > >> > >> Confluence will be greater than the > work we spend > >> > cleaning > >> > >> up spam. > >> > >> And as soon as we introduce a delay > (getting > >> > authorized), > >> > >> then we will > >> > >> lose contributions. I know I've > tried to > >> > >> edit certain wikis, but for > >> > >> the minor change I wanted to make, > it wasn't worth > >> > coming > >> > >> back at some > >> > >> later time after I had gone through > the process of > >> > being > >> > >> authorized. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:09 AM, > Gerhard > >> > Petracek > >> > >> <[email protected]> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > thx mike for moving the > thread. > >> > >> > it looks like it's getting more > and i don't > >> > like to > >> > >> observe it. > >> > >> > we already said that we move > away from [1]. > >> > >> > instead of keeping the dev-wiki > at [1] for > >> > drafts,... > >> > >> it might be better to > >> > >> > create a separate myfaces-dev > space at > >> > confluence. > >> > >> > so we can add new contributors > quite fast and > >> > if they > >> > >> submit spam, we can > >> > >> > remove them easily. > >> > >> > that's also the suggestion of > the > >> > infrastructure team > >> > >> (at least of some of > >> > >> > them who responded to my > question). > >> > >> > regards, > >> > >> > gerhard > >> > >> > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> > http://www.irian.at > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Your JSF powerhouse - > >> > >> > JSF Consulting, Development > and > >> > >> > Courses in English and German > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Professional Support for Apache > MyFaces > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > 2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger > <[email protected]> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Moving to dev. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Neither Confluence nor the > Apache CMS is > >> > a good > >> > >> replacement for a > >> > >> >> wiki. Unfortunately, > there doesn't > >> > appear to be > >> > >> a better option for > >> > >> >> this yet (an unrestricted > group > >> > documentation > >> > >> area). Spam is part of > >> > >> >> the price you have to pay > to have such an > >> > area, > >> > >> and we've been pretty > >> > >> >> fortunate to not have had > that much of an > >> > issue > >> > >> with it. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> There was a discussion on > various > >> > documentation > >> > >> systems on Cayenne > >> > >> >> that you might find > helpful: > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg06028.html > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at > 7:42 AM, Gerhard > >> > Petracek > >> > >> >> <[email protected]> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >> > yes - we said we move > the content > >> > for our > >> > >> users to confluence but maybe > >> > >> >> > it's > >> > >> >> > a better idea to wait > until apache > >> > cms is > >> > >> useable (pdf export,...). > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > regards, > >> > >> >> > gerhard > >> > >> >> > http://www.irian.at > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > Your JSF powerhouse - > >> > >> >> > JSF Consulting, > Development and > >> > >> >> > Courses in English and > German > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > Professional Support > for Apache > >> > MyFaces > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > 2011/5/19 Mark > Struberg <[email protected]> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> I realized that > our Wiki front > >> > page is > >> > >> pretty old (not to say outdated) > >> > >> >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> LieGrue, > >> > >> >> >> strub > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >
