i agree with mark. furthermore, we >have< drafts at the wiki and the results get included and released.
regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > humm, got that info from asking a few other members... > > Anyway, I think it is actually really a tiny hurdle to ask people to please > ping us on the dev list and we will activate them in the wiki quickly. > > > LieGrue, > strub > > --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration > > To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> > > Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:51 PM > > No, we don't need to require a > > contribution for the wiki because we > > don't distribute it. At least this has > > been the case as long as I > > can remember, and I'm fairly certain it's standard Apache > > practice > > (otherwise we would not have wikis at the ASF). > > > > We do require an agreement to make changes to the official > > documentation that we distribute, which is why it requires > > svn access > > to change. > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Folks, i might be that we have to remove the public > > access without login anyway! > > > > > > I actually thought this restriction is already in > > place. > > > > > > Remember the last time where Bart Kummel (still sad to > > not recognice you for a shakehand at confess in Vienna btw!) > > helped us with contributing a paragraph? He also had to file > > an iCLA. > > > > > > That's for 'significant contributions' of course, but > > a normal user must at least acknowledge the ALv2 license > > rules if he likes to 'contribute' something. > > > > > > In Jira we have this 'can be included' checkmark for > > patches. That's kind of the analogy I think we also would > > need in moinmoin. In confluence we already have an excplicit > > 'write' access, so this is not so problematic because that > > 'ack ALv2' might be handled on the lists upfront. > > > > > > wdyt? > > > > > > LieGrue, > > > strub > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > > >> Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration > > >> To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> > > >> Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:27 PM > > >> The reality is that we don't use the > > >> wiki for drafts. We use it to > > >> allow anyone, including non-officially-recognized > > >> committers, to create > > >> MyFaces specific pages. I know Confluence as a > > >> documentation system > > >> is going away. It's unclear to me if > > >> Confluence as a wiki is going > > >> away. > > >> I have never been involved with Confluence as an > > >> administrator, but if > > >> we can easily add anyone to the wiki space, that > > could be a > > >> workable > > >> solution. If we go that route, we should > > >> have something immediately > > >> obvious which describes the process to get > > access. > > >> > > >> My opinion: > > >> > > >> Spam isn't a problem so far (going on several > > years > > >> here). Major > > >> spam attacks get cleaned up by infra and are very > > rare (I > > >> can recall > > >> only three). Minor ones happen rarely, and > > >> are easy to clean up > > >> ourselves. The benefit of an open wiki far > > >> outweighs the spam > > >> cleanup costs. I suspect that the work to > > >> maintain users for > > >> Confluence will be greater than the work we spend > > cleaning > > >> up spam. > > >> And as soon as we introduce a delay (getting > > authorized), > > >> then we will > > >> lose contributions. I know I've tried to > > >> edit certain wikis, but for > > >> the minor change I wanted to make, it wasn't worth > > coming > > >> back at some > > >> later time after I had gone through the process of > > being > > >> authorized. > > >> > > >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Gerhard > > Petracek > > >> <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > thx mike for moving the thread. > > >> > it looks like it's getting more and i don't > > like to > > >> observe it. > > >> > we already said that we move away from [1]. > > >> > instead of keeping the dev-wiki at [1] for > > drafts,... > > >> it might be better to > > >> > create a separate myfaces-dev space at > > confluence. > > >> > so we can add new contributors quite fast and > > if they > > >> submit spam, we can > > >> > remove them easily. > > >> > that's also the suggestion of the > > infrastructure team > > >> (at least of some of > > >> > them who responded to my question). > > >> > regards, > > >> > gerhard > > >> > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/ > > >> > > > >> > http://www.irian.at > > >> > > > >> > Your JSF powerhouse - > > >> > JSF Consulting, Development and > > >> > Courses in English and German > > >> > > > >> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > 2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > > >> >> > > >> >> Moving to dev. > > >> >> > > >> >> Neither Confluence nor the Apache CMS is > > a good > > >> replacement for a > > >> >> wiki. Unfortunately, there doesn't > > appear to be > > >> a better option for > > >> >> this yet (an unrestricted group > > documentation > > >> area). Spam is part of > > >> >> the price you have to pay to have such an > > area, > > >> and we've been pretty > > >> >> fortunate to not have had that much of an > > issue > > >> with it. > > >> >> > > >> >> There was a discussion on various > > documentation > > >> systems on Cayenne > > >> >> that you might find helpful: > > >> >> > > >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg06028.html > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard > > Petracek > > >> >> <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> >> > yes - we said we move the content > > for our > > >> users to confluence but maybe > > >> >> > it's > > >> >> > a better idea to wait until apache > > cms is > > >> useable (pdf export,...). > > >> >> > > > >> >> > regards, > > >> >> > gerhard > > >> >> > http://www.irian.at > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Your JSF powerhouse - > > >> >> > JSF Consulting, Development and > > >> >> > Courses in English and German > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Professional Support for Apache > > MyFaces > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> I realized that our Wiki front > > page is > > >> pretty old (not to say outdated) > > >> >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> LieGrue, > > >> >> >> strub > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
