I don't think moving to Confluence will fix the problem. If I recall, people can add comments to confluence pages without needing to authenticate. So we'll just be changing it from page spam to comment spam.
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Gerhard Petracek <[email protected]> wrote: > i agree with mark. > furthermore, we >have< drafts at the wiki and the results get included and > released. > regards, > gerhard > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> >> >> humm, got that info from asking a few other members... >> >> Anyway, I think it is actually really a tiny hurdle to ask people to >> please ping us on the dev list and we will activate them in the wiki >> quickly. >> >> >> LieGrue, >> strub >> >> --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration >> > To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> >> > Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:51 PM >> > No, we don't need to require a >> > contribution for the wiki because we >> > don't distribute it. At least this has >> > been the case as long as I >> > can remember, and I'm fairly certain it's standard Apache >> > practice >> > (otherwise we would not have wikis at the ASF). >> > >> > We do require an agreement to make changes to the official >> > documentation that we distribute, which is why it requires >> > svn access >> > to change. >> > >> > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > Folks, i might be that we have to remove the public >> > access without login anyway! >> > > >> > > I actually thought this restriction is already in >> > place. >> > > >> > > Remember the last time where Bart Kummel (still sad to >> > not recognice you for a shakehand at confess in Vienna btw!) >> > helped us with contributing a paragraph? He also had to file >> > an iCLA. >> > > >> > > That's for 'significant contributions' of course, but >> > a normal user must at least acknowledge the ALv2 license >> > rules if he likes to 'contribute' something. >> > > >> > > In Jira we have this 'can be included' checkmark for >> > patches. That's kind of the analogy I think we also would >> > need in moinmoin. In confluence we already have an excplicit >> > 'write' access, so this is not so problematic because that >> > 'ack ALv2' might be handled on the lists upfront. >> > > >> > > wdyt? >> > > >> > > LieGrue, >> > > strub >> > > >> > > --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > >> From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> >> > >> Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration >> > >> To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> >> > >> Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:27 PM >> > >> The reality is that we don't use the >> > >> wiki for drafts. We use it to >> > >> allow anyone, including non-officially-recognized >> > >> committers, to create >> > >> MyFaces specific pages. I know Confluence as a >> > >> documentation system >> > >> is going away. It's unclear to me if >> > >> Confluence as a wiki is going >> > >> away. >> > >> I have never been involved with Confluence as an >> > >> administrator, but if >> > >> we can easily add anyone to the wiki space, that >> > could be a >> > >> workable >> > >> solution. If we go that route, we should >> > >> have something immediately >> > >> obvious which describes the process to get >> > access. >> > >> >> > >> My opinion: >> > >> >> > >> Spam isn't a problem so far (going on several >> > years >> > >> here). Major >> > >> spam attacks get cleaned up by infra and are very >> > rare (I >> > >> can recall >> > >> only three). Minor ones happen rarely, and >> > >> are easy to clean up >> > >> ourselves. The benefit of an open wiki far >> > >> outweighs the spam >> > >> cleanup costs. I suspect that the work to >> > >> maintain users for >> > >> Confluence will be greater than the work we spend >> > cleaning >> > >> up spam. >> > >> And as soon as we introduce a delay (getting >> > authorized), >> > >> then we will >> > >> lose contributions. I know I've tried to >> > >> edit certain wikis, but for >> > >> the minor change I wanted to make, it wasn't worth >> > coming >> > >> back at some >> > >> later time after I had gone through the process of >> > being >> > >> authorized. >> > >> >> > >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Gerhard >> > Petracek >> > >> <[email protected]> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > thx mike for moving the thread. >> > >> > it looks like it's getting more and i don't >> > like to >> > >> observe it. >> > >> > we already said that we move away from [1]. >> > >> > instead of keeping the dev-wiki at [1] for >> > drafts,... >> > >> it might be better to >> > >> > create a separate myfaces-dev space at >> > confluence. >> > >> > so we can add new contributors quite fast and >> > if they >> > >> submit spam, we can >> > >> > remove them easily. >> > >> > that's also the suggestion of the >> > infrastructure team >> > >> (at least of some of >> > >> > them who responded to my question). >> > >> > regards, >> > >> > gerhard >> > >> > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/ >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.irian.at >> > >> > >> > >> > Your JSF powerhouse - >> > >> > JSF Consulting, Development and >> > >> > Courses in English and German >> > >> > >> > >> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Moving to dev. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Neither Confluence nor the Apache CMS is >> > a good >> > >> replacement for a >> > >> >> wiki. Unfortunately, there doesn't >> > appear to be >> > >> a better option for >> > >> >> this yet (an unrestricted group >> > documentation >> > >> area). Spam is part of >> > >> >> the price you have to pay to have such an >> > area, >> > >> and we've been pretty >> > >> >> fortunate to not have had that much of an >> > issue >> > >> with it. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> There was a discussion on various >> > documentation >> > >> systems on Cayenne >> > >> >> that you might find helpful: >> > >> >> >> > >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg06028.html >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard >> > Petracek >> > >> >> <[email protected]> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> > yes - we said we move the content >> > for our >> > >> users to confluence but maybe >> > >> >> > it's >> > >> >> > a better idea to wait until apache >> > cms is >> > >> useable (pdf export,...). >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > regards, >> > >> >> > gerhard >> > >> >> > http://www.irian.at >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Your JSF powerhouse - >> > >> >> > JSF Consulting, Development and >> > >> >> > Courses in English and German >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Professional Support for Apache >> > MyFaces >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> I realized that our Wiki front >> > page is >> > >> pretty old (not to say outdated) >> > >> >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> LieGrue, >> > >> >> >> strub >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >
