i did two cleanups and while discussing with the infrastructure team gavin deleted the 3rd. as mentioned before, those 3 were within 4 weeks.
regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > I have been watching wiki changes on a regular basis for years, > although some months (like March/April of this year) I get overwhelmed > with other projects and don't keep up with them. > > I don't think we've had more than a handful each year. Obviously, > the problem will get worse over time, but as things stand, the work to > keep the wiki clean is minimal. > > I've scanned through the wiki changes (around 200) in the last two > years, and I don't even see the spam changes. > > A search on "spam" only pulled back three wiki changes since 2006. > Probably not everyone dealing with spam marked it as such. > > Let's start marking spam fixes with "spam" in the comment, and then we > can get some real metrics about how big of a problem this really is. > > Strangely enough, I don't see the spam cleanup notices for the changes > Gerhard made. > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Gerhard Petracek <[email protected]> > wrote: > > +1 > > @mike: > > there were 3 in the last 4 weeks and before that i haven't looked at wiki > > changes on a regular basis. > > regards, > > gerhard > > > > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > >> > >> Folks, i might be that we have to remove the public access without login > >> anyway! > >> > >> I actually thought this restriction is already in place. > >> > >> Remember the last time where Bart Kummel (still sad to not recognice you > >> for a shakehand at confess in Vienna btw!) helped us with contributing a > >> paragraph? He also had to file an iCLA. > >> > >> That's for 'significant contributions' of course, but a normal user must > >> at least acknowledge the ALv2 license rules if he likes to 'contribute' > >> something. > >> > >> In Jira we have this 'can be included' checkmark for patches. That's > kind > >> of the analogy I think we also would need in moinmoin. In confluence we > >> already have an excplicit 'write' access, so this is not so problematic > >> because that 'ack ALv2' might be handled on the lists upfront. > >> > >> wdyt? > >> > >> LieGrue, > >> strub > >> > >> --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > >> > Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration > >> > To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]> > >> > Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:27 PM > >> > The reality is that we don't use the > >> > wiki for drafts. We use it to > >> > allow anyone, including non-officially-recognized > >> > committers, to create > >> > MyFaces specific pages. I know Confluence as a > >> > documentation system > >> > is going away. It's unclear to me if > >> > Confluence as a wiki is going > >> > away. > >> > I have never been involved with Confluence as an > >> > administrator, but if > >> > we can easily add anyone to the wiki space, that could be a > >> > workable > >> > solution. If we go that route, we should > >> > have something immediately > >> > obvious which describes the process to get access. > >> > > >> > My opinion: > >> > > >> > Spam isn't a problem so far (going on several years > >> > here). Major > >> > spam attacks get cleaned up by infra and are very rare (I > >> > can recall > >> > only three). Minor ones happen rarely, and > >> > are easy to clean up > >> > ourselves. The benefit of an open wiki far > >> > outweighs the spam > >> > cleanup costs. I suspect that the work to > >> > maintain users for > >> > Confluence will be greater than the work we spend cleaning > >> > up spam. > >> > And as soon as we introduce a delay (getting authorized), > >> > then we will > >> > lose contributions. I know I've tried to > >> > edit certain wikis, but for > >> > the minor change I wanted to make, it wasn't worth coming > >> > back at some > >> > later time after I had gone through the process of being > >> > authorized. > >> > > >> > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Gerhard Petracek > >> > <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > thx mike for moving the thread. > >> > > it looks like it's getting more and i don't like to > >> > observe it. > >> > > we already said that we move away from [1]. > >> > > instead of keeping the dev-wiki at [1] for drafts,... > >> > it might be better to > >> > > create a separate myfaces-dev space at confluence. > >> > > so we can add new contributors quite fast and if they > >> > submit spam, we can > >> > > remove them easily. > >> > > that's also the suggestion of the infrastructure team > >> > (at least of some of > >> > > them who responded to my question). > >> > > regards, > >> > > gerhard > >> > > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/ > >> > > > >> > > http://www.irian.at > >> > > > >> > > Your JSF powerhouse - > >> > > JSF Consulting, Development and > >> > > Courses in English and German > >> > > > >> > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > 2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> > >> > >> > >> > >> Moving to dev. > >> > >> > >> > >> Neither Confluence nor the Apache CMS is a good > >> > replacement for a > >> > >> wiki. Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be > >> > a better option for > >> > >> this yet (an unrestricted group documentation > >> > area). Spam is part of > >> > >> the price you have to pay to have such an area, > >> > and we've been pretty > >> > >> fortunate to not have had that much of an issue > >> > with it. > >> > >> > >> > >> There was a discussion on various documentation > >> > systems on Cayenne > >> > >> that you might find helpful: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg06028.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek > >> > >> <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > yes - we said we move the content for our > >> > users to confluence but maybe > >> > >> > it's > >> > >> > a better idea to wait until apache cms is > >> > useable (pdf export,...). > >> > >> > > >> > >> > regards, > >> > >> > gerhard > >> > >> > http://www.irian.at > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Your JSF powerhouse - > >> > >> > JSF Consulting, Development and > >> > >> > Courses in English and German > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> I realized that our Wiki front page is > >> > pretty old (not to say outdated) > >> > >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> LieGrue, > >> > >> >> strub > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >
