Hello, thank you for this email. First, we won't close the HI project. It's too important. Regarding the lists, it's, I think, all about educating the users and the members. Eventually, you can migrate your Bharateeyaoo list to [email protected] . Even if you don't get much traffic, you can use these lists to work on localizations, say on [email protected] At some point traffic will come. Also, if you have such concerns, it would be good to post them on [email protected] Regarding the change of leads; I didn't know Raman was in charge, but I have talked to Sankarshan Mudhopalay from Bengal community. He proposed me today to bring two Hindi persons who would be leading the project. I don't know how you feel about it. Maybe Raman and one of them can share the job. In the mean time, I feel that your marketing/promotional contributions should not gone unnoticed. Looking at what you did it's clear that you were/are on a very good track. Please, communicate on [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your news on [email protected] . We can talk about what you do, help you and advise you. The NLC is the community of the communities around OOo... Please, be part of it. :-) I believe that your efforts should be continued after your departure. A Native-Lang community has, I believe three core missions: -localization (btw, what's the status of the localization in Hindi?) -users support -local marketing/ promotion.
Two other very important missions that are in fact related to the tree above are Quality Assurance and Documentation. All this creates and builds a community. It's not because nobody doesn't post on the list but posts elsewhere that there's no community. As I said, it's all about educating your members. That said, I wish to make clear that I don't accuse you of anything except maybe of not having communicated earlier about these changes. You two have created something big in India, not just in Hindi, and you should be credited for that. What you created goes beyong the Hindi localization, beyond Bharateeyaoo, (which is already a big thing). You're certainly among the first ones who have waken up FOSS in India, and you should be proud of it. Let me know when and how you wish to organize the change of leads. Best Regards, Charles-H. Schulz. On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 07:09 -0800, Bharateeya OpenOffice.org wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Please see the replies inline: > > > > --- "Charles-H.Schulz" > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > it's been quite some time that I'm looking to > > > contact Bhupesh Koli and > > > Shikha Pallai. > > > > My apologies, to you Charles, Louis and all the > > other > > Indian Native Lang TLs and members. Our organization > > has gone through some restructuring, the result of > > which is that me: Shikha Pillai and Mr. Bhupesh Koli > > are no longer directly associated with > > hi.openoffice.org [although we may still communicate > > on behalf of the project and BharateeyaOOo]. This > > announcement has been pending since a little while, > > but as we were caught in the activities of > > restructuring, we couldn't inform everyone on the > > list. In our place, Mr. Raman has taken over as > > co-ordinator of the project, and also as lead of the > > HI Native Lang project. > > > > > The Hindi Native-Lang project seems to be dead > > > (http://hi.openoffice.org) and nothing indicates > > > that the Hindi mailing > > > lists have moved elsewhere, like on the > > Bharateeyaoo > > > web site. If nothing changes we will close the > > Hindi > > > community web site. Maybe you > > > could tell me what' going on? > > > > Hindi N-L isn't actually dead yet. But I understand > > your views on the fact that the mailing list is > > inactive and that we haven't done any updates for > > some > > time, on the web pages. > > > > With regard to the Mailing lists, well, this has > > been > > a problem that we've been facing since the inception > > of Hindi N-L: We haven't been able to generate much > > communication on the lists, with the exception of > > some > > issues and complaints that came up initially and > > then > > were clarified. Although we've publicised the lists > > to > > the maximum extent possible, the truth is that the > > inquiries/complaints have been minimum w.r.t the > > Hindi > > project, probably because 1) there weren't many > > issues > > with it to begin with, 2) We have many observers > > registered for the project, but no one has come up > > with discussions on Hindi N-L issues on the list 3) > > Most of the times we get personal mails addressed to > > us enquiring on the language/product usability > > issues, > > to which we then reply 4) Our email id > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] is more popular I guess, > > since we still receive direct enquiries on that > > rather > > than the mailing lists. What we could do is cc the > > personal emails and the replies to the list each > > time > > we get such mails, thought this approach seems a > > little lame. Can't think of other means of > > popularizing the list, and putting it to good use: > > maybe you could suggest something, or other N-L > > leads > > could help us here? > > > > As for the web pages, yes, here we are guilty. We > > haven't done much updates at all. In fact w.r.t the > > content, what's up there still holds, so we didn't > > need to update it till now. But if it will make any > > difference to you now, we could put the effort from > > now on to keep the website active in terms of > > updated > > content. A major update that has to come now of > > course > > is the change of lead, which we could request you to > > do as per protocol. > > > > Of course, all this is if you want to keep the site > > alive. I understand your viewpoint about closing > > down > > sites that don't have any visible activity, but what > > I'd like to tell you here is that having OOo in > > Hindi > > at http://hi.openoffice.org has generated a lot of > > interest in the suite as such. Especially because it > > was the first Indian N-L site for OOo. I can in fact > > send to the mailing lists a lot of congratulatory > > mails we've received from Indians who've been happy > > to > > see that a suite like OOo supports Hindi and has its > > website and information available in Hindi at HI > > N-L, > > to vouch for this. And the site has definitely > > served > > the purposes for which we actually set it up. Apart > > from that, although the mailing lists are inactive, > > we > > have always been available to users/OOo newbies > > who've > > requested our help. > > > > And as far as promotion goes, most of our activities > > w.r.t Hindi OOo have gone beyond the web-site stage, > > because we have actually gone out and demonstrated > > OOo in many conferences (as Louis might know), and > > even have initiated activities to bring OOo usage in > > governmental establishments and other institutions. > > > > Apart from that, we have been in touch with leads of > > other Indian N-L projects, and have been involved in > > Marathi, Gujarati and Kannada OOo l10n [primarily > > for > > build related activities]. For Tamil, although we > > haven't communicated this to our Thamizha Group > > (involving Mugunth and his team, who've been good to > > > > us, and taken up further translation activities of > > OOo), we were trying to promote Tamil OOo in India, > > and have got the IT Minister of our country to > > launch > > information on this next month. We have also some > > developmental activities based on OOo, like a > > transliterator plugin that we've developed for > > English > > to Hindi transliteration; and another activity that > > we've initiated is looking into the rendering > > aspects > > of OOo for different Indian languages. > > > > So according to me, we haven't been idle at all. > > Only > > that our activities have been a little diversified, > > and not streamlined only for "Hindi" OOo. > > > > We respect your views, and if you think the website > > needs to be closed down, then we'll have to abide by > > that. But of course, it will be discouragement for > > the > > work we have put in. If otherwise, maybe you could > > also lend us a helping hand for making Hindi N-L > > more > > active and alive. Atleast if you could give us some > > suggestions about what exactly is expected from the > > N-L site, maybe it could prove useful to us. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Charles-H. Schulz, > > > Lead of the Native-Lang Confederation, > > > OpenOffice.org > > > > Regards, > > Shikha Pillai > > > > BharateeyaOOo Team --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
