Hi, Note: despite the name of sender of the quoted message, I am the author of this.
Thanks, Charles. On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 12:42 +0530, Bharateeya-OpenOffice wrote: > Hello, > > thank you for this email. > First, we won't close the HI project. It's too important. > Regarding the lists, it's, I think, all about educating the users and > the members. Eventually, you can migrate your Bharateeyaoo list to > [email protected] . > Even if you don't get much traffic, you can use these lists to work on > localizations, say on [email protected] > At some point traffic will come. Also, if you have such concerns, it > would be good to post them on [email protected] > Regarding the change of leads; > I didn't know Raman was in charge, but I have talked to Sankarshan > Mudhopalay from Bengal community. He proposed me today to bring two > Hindi persons who would be leading the project. I don't know how you > feel about it. Maybe Raman and one of them can share the job. > In the mean time, I feel that your marketing/promotional contributions > should not gone unnoticed. Looking at what you did it's clear that you > were/are on a very good track. > Please, communicate on [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your news on > [email protected] . We can talk about what you do, help > you > and advise you. The NLC is the community of the communities around > OOo... Please, be part of it. :-) > I believe that your efforts should be continued after your departure. > A Native-Lang community has, I believe three core missions: > -localization (btw, what's the status of the localization in Hindi?) > -users support > -local marketing/ promotion. > > Two other very important missions that are in fact related to the tree > above are Quality Assurance and Documentation. All this creates and > builds a community. It's not because nobody doesn't post on the list > but > posts elsewhere that there's no community. As I said, it's all about > educating your members. > That said, I wish to make clear that I don't accuse you of anything > except maybe of not having communicated earlier about these changes. > You two have created something big in India, not just in Hindi, and you > should be credited for that. What you created goes beyong the Hindi > localization, beyond Bharateeyaoo, (which is already a big thing). > You're certainly among the first ones who have waken up FOSS in India, > and you should be proud of it. > Let me know when and how you wish to organize the change of leads. > > Best Regards, > > Charles-H. Schulz. > > > On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 07:09 -0800, Bharateeya OpenOffice.org wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Please see the replies inline: > > > > > > --- "Charles-H.Schulz" > > > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > it's been quite some time that I'm looking to > > > > contact Bhupesh Koli and > > > > Shikha Pallai. > > > > > > My apologies, to you Charles, Louis and all the > > > other > > > Indian Native Lang TLs and members. Our organization > > > has gone through some restructuring, the result of > > > which is that me: Shikha Pillai and Mr. Bhupesh Koli > > > are no longer directly associated with > > > hi.openoffice.org [although we may still communicate > > > on behalf of the project and BharateeyaOOo]. This > > > announcement has been pending since a little while, > > > but as we were caught in the activities of > > > restructuring, we couldn't inform everyone on the > > > list. In our place, Mr. Raman has taken over as > > > co-ordinator of the project, and also as lead of the > > > HI Native Lang project. > > > > > > > The Hindi Native-Lang project seems to be dead > > > > (http://hi.openoffice.org) and nothing indicates > > > > that the Hindi mailing > > > > lists have moved elsewhere, like on the > > > Bharateeyaoo > > > > web site. If nothing changes we will close the > > > Hindi > > > > community web site. Maybe you > > > > could tell me what' going on? > > > > > > Hindi N-L isn't actually dead yet. But I understand > > > your views on the fact that the mailing list is > > > inactive and that we haven't done any updates for > > > some > > > time, on the web pages. > > > > > > With regard to the Mailing lists, well, this has > > > been > > > a problem that we've been facing since the inception > > > of Hindi N-L: We haven't been able to generate much > > > communication on the lists, with the exception of > > > some > > > issues and complaints that came up initially and > > > then > > > were clarified. Although we've publicised the lists > > > to > > > the maximum extent possible, the truth is that the > > > inquiries/complaints have been minimum w.r.t the > > > Hindi > > > project, probably because 1) there weren't many > > > issues > > > with it to begin with, 2) We have many observers > > > registered for the project, but no one has come up > > > with discussions on Hindi N-L issues on the list 3) > > > Most of the times we get personal mails addressed to > > > us enquiring on the language/product usability > > > issues, > > > to which we then reply 4) Our email id > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] is more popular I guess, > > > since we still receive direct enquiries on that > > > rather > > > than the mailing lists. What we could do is cc the > > > personal emails and the replies to the list each > > > time > > > we get such mails, thought this approach seems a > > > little lame. Can't think of other means of > > > popularizing the list, and putting it to good use: > > > maybe you could suggest something, or other N-L > > > leads > > > could help us here? > > > > > > As for the web pages, yes, here we are guilty. We > > > haven't done much updates at all. In fact w.r.t the > > > content, what's up there still holds, so we didn't > > > need to update it till now. But if it will make any > > > difference to you now, we could put the effort from > > > now on to keep the website active in terms of > > > updated > > > content. A major update that has to come now of > > > course > > > is the change of lead, which we could request you to > > > do as per protocol. > > > > > > Of course, all this is if you want to keep the site > > > alive. I understand your viewpoint about closing > > > down > > > sites that don't have any visible activity, but what > > > I'd like to tell you here is that having OOo in > > > Hindi > > > at http://hi.openoffice.org has generated a lot of > > > interest in the suite as such. Especially because it > > > was the first Indian N-L site for OOo. I can in fact > > > send to the mailing lists a lot of congratulatory > > > mails we've received from Indians who've been happy > > > to > > > see that a suite like OOo supports Hindi and has its > > > website and information available in Hindi at HI > > > N-L, > > > to vouch for this. And the site has definitely > > > served > > > the purposes for which we actually set it up. Apart > > > from that, although the mailing lists are inactive, > > > we > > > have always been available to users/OOo newbies > > > who've > > > requested our help. > > > > > > > And as far as promotion goes, most of our activities > > > w.r.t Hindi OOo have gone beyond the web-site stage, > > > because we have actually gone out and demonstrated > > > OOo in many conferences (as Louis might know), and > > > even have initiated activities to bring OOo usage in > > > governmental establishments and other institutions. > > > > > > Apart from that, we have been in touch with leads of > > > other Indian N-L projects, and have been involved in > > > Marathi, Gujarati and Kannada OOo l10n [primarily > > > for > > > build related activities]. For Tamil, although we > > > haven't communicated this to our Thamizha Group > > > (involving Mugunth and his team, who've been good to > > > > > > us, and taken up further translation activities of > > > OOo), we were trying to promote Tamil OOo in India, > > > and have got the IT Minister of our country to > > > launch > > > information on this next month. We have also some > > > developmental activities based on OOo, like a > > > transliterator plugin that we've developed for > > > English > > > to Hindi transliteration; and another activity that > > > we've initiated is looking into the rendering > > > aspects > > > of OOo for different Indian languages. > > > > > > So according to me, we haven't been idle at all. > > > Only > > > that our activities have been a little diversified, > > > and not streamlined only for "Hindi" OOo. > > > > > > We respect your views, and if you think the website > > > needs to be closed down, then we'll have to abide by > > > that. But of course, it will be discouragement for > > > the > > > work we have put in. If otherwise, maybe you could > > > also lend us a helping hand for making Hindi N-L > > > more > > > active and alive. Atleast if you could give us some > > > suggestions about what exactly is expected from the > > > N-L site, maybe it could prove useful to us. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Charles-H. Schulz, > > > > Lead of the Native-Lang Confederation, > > > > OpenOffice.org > > > > > > Regards, > > > Shikha Pillai > > > > > > BharateeyaOOo Team > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
