As I explained below "Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM", content is not a problem because it's still in page history or space trash. The problem is with
comments and attachments, see my previous explanation and question.
Maybe you implicitly agree about what I suggested about news, comments and
attachment?
Jacques
Le 17/08/2016 à 17:12, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
My preference is to let contributors to delete content, since this didn't
cause big problems until now; we may revisit this topic if we will
experience any problems in the future.
Jacopo
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[email protected]> wrote:
Jacopo,
Thanks for the new thread creation. I wanted to relate the previous thread
with my suggestion because of, IMO, the needed merge between the 2
"marketing pages".
Good idea about keeping the old spaces as archives w/o entering links.
With my suggestion I trust no Wiki space for the PMC should be needed, we
just need to agree on removing delete permissions for contributors.
If a contributor spot a page, a comment or an attachment to be deleted
then just by asking for it in a comment should be enough.
So far I have not seen much deletion from contributors so it should not be
an issue.
Jacques
Le 17/08/2016 à 15:17, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
I am starting a new thread with a new subject in the dev list to discuss
the interesting topic about Wiki space cleanup/refactoring that was
started
by Jacques as an off topic (going off-topic is a bad habit that we should
try to limit).
In my opinion we could just have one Wiki space (open to contributors) and
we could consolidate there all the content that is valuable. We could keep
the existing spaces as an archive (removing all prominent links to them)
until the new Wiki is completed.
As regards the separate Wiki space for the PMC, I would wait before
creating it at least until there is a clear evidence that such space is
really required.
Jacopo
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[email protected]> wrote:
Sharan,
Sorry to seem again out of subject, but you will see where I'm going to.
The question we should ask ourselves, is when content/attachments in a
page should be only accessible to the PMC.
For content we have not problems. Only contributors are able to modify
pages contents. Anyway this is not a problem because we (I at least)
monitor all changes in the wiki and if I see a change which should not
happen we (I) can still restore a correct version from history. As an
admin
I can even restore a deleted page from the space trash. To be safe,
admins
should always agree about deleting a page from the space trash, for
instance to vacuum when necessary. I noticed both these actions are
extremely rare.
So far contributors are also able to add and delete news, comments and
attachments. We don't use news in the wiki, one issue less. Because it's
hard to retrieve comments and attachments, even as an admin (we need to
ask
infra to look into an ASF wide backup), I suggest we remove the
possibility
for contributors to delete news, comments and attachments. Then we are
safe from all changes and we no longer need a distinction between open
and
closed wiki :) If nobody disagree I'd do that in few days.
BTW while at it I noticed Amit Gadaley had no rights, I gave him the
needed.
Jacques
Le 17/08/2016 à 09:25, Sharan Foga a écrit :
Hi Jacques
This is an interesting idea and it might have been good to start a new
thread as it has digressed a little off topic again :-)
In theory I agree that we do need to do some tidy up and consolidating
into 2 spaces sounds like it could work well. We just need to see how to
merge the data from the existing spaces and also add a good navigation
system so that people can find things easily.
Back to original topic – I don't think that we can consolidate all the
marketing information into a restricted space mainly because I think we
will need to allow for the ability for any contributor to add new papers
and presentations. As a first step though – we could remove the wiki
page and move the data to the project admin space for now and see how
that
works.
Thanks
Sharan
On 2016-08-17 07:41 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux <
[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sharan,
I thought about that, and I believe we should not add a new page but
rather complete the Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing page by using
what's
interesting in the General+Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing page
and
then drop it.
To answer Taher's message, I believe we face a mess and this remembers
me http://www.howtomakesenseofanymess.com/ Sharan suggested, I stopped
at
http://www.howtomakesenseofanymess.com/chapter/1/page/21/
draw-your-mess/
I think the right attitude when facing a mess, is to CUT in it.
* We need to drop, or at least put a lot of wiki pages in archives.
* For that we could create a specific OFBiz archive space, not
linked
from the other spaces.
* I also suggest to have only 2 other spaces, one completely open,
where most pages should be.
* And one only accessible to PMC (and committers?) where really
sensible information should be, these last pages should be very rare
and
only when
really needed.
Then we can improve the content of "Documentation" menu-link from
http://ofbiz.apache.org/ . Notably
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+
Documentation+Index (hint: this is also kinda an answer to Taher)
Trying to improve navigation before cutting in the mess, will have a
tendency to fail... What do you think?
Jacques
Le 16/08/2016 14:58, Jacques Le Roux a crit :
Hi Sharan,
I suggested at https://cwiki.apache.org/confl
uence/display/OFBADMIN/Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing?
focusedCommentId=65865874#comment-65865874
to remove the page below because I tried yesterday to move the images
from the page above to the one below. I wanted to merge the 2 pages, a
reason
I afterwards renamed the page above. Another reason I afterwards
renamed the page is because when in Confluence you put special
characters,
like
parenthesis, etc., in the title then you don't get a nice title for
the
page, but a number :/
But it's hard to *move* attachments in bulk in Confluence. You have to
do it one by one :/
So I tried to download them all and upload them back to the page
below.
But the process failed in the middle. You might also notice that it's
hard
to *remove* attachments in bulk in Confluence. You have to do it one
by
one :/
That's why I suggested to put this page in archive (actually deleting
it lets it in the space's trash
https://confluence.atlassian.com/doc/delete-or-restore-a-pag
e-139429.html) and to create a new one. I also tried to watch the
Powerpoint there (on
WIndows using the the Powerpoint viewer!) but it failed, so there is
nothing to keep there! I suggest to drop it and create a brand new
page,
inspired by the page below, for the ideas you rightly suggested.
Thanks
Jacques
Le 16/08/2016 11:03, Sharan Foga a crit :
Hi Everyone
We currently have a page in the wiki that was used initially for
branding and marketing but has now has a lot of broken links.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/General+
Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing
The logo files don't need to be on this page as they are all
available
elsewhere. Rather than remove it I suggest that it could be tidied
up and
that the page focus (and name) could be changed to make it into one
that links to OFBiz white papers, OFBIz presentations, etc.
I'm not sure if we already have something like this or if it covered
as part of OFBiz in the news but I think having this type of material
available could be good for newcomers. What do people think?
Thanks
Sharan
