You're correct. Not many deletions were done by non privileged contributors, and as far as I can tell no non-privileged contributor ever deleted the comment of another contributor.
Mostly they were done by privileged contributors on non open pages (in the OFBIZADMIN space, meaning PMC Members). While there is version management on content, there is no version managment on comments. With every deletion of a comment (done by anybody else) made by a PMC Member a piece of history is gone for ever. And it could be regarded as censorship. Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Jacques Le Roux < [email protected]> wrote: > Jacopo, > > Thanks for the new thread creation. I wanted to relate the previous thread > with my suggestion because of, IMO, the needed merge between the 2 > "marketing pages". > > Good idea about keeping the old spaces as archives w/o entering links. > > With my suggestion I trust no Wiki space for the PMC should be needed, we > just need to agree on removing delete permissions for contributors. > > If a contributor spot a page, a comment or an attachment to be deleted > then just by asking for it in a comment should be enough. > > So far I have not seen much deletion from contributors so it should not be > an issue. > > Jacques > > > > Le 17/08/2016 à 15:17, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : > >> I am starting a new thread with a new subject in the dev list to discuss >> the interesting topic about Wiki space cleanup/refactoring that was >> started >> by Jacques as an off topic (going off-topic is a bad habit that we should >> try to limit). >> >> In my opinion we could just have one Wiki space (open to contributors) and >> we could consolidate there all the content that is valuable. We could keep >> the existing spaces as an archive (removing all prominent links to them) >> until the new Wiki is completed. >> >> As regards the separate Wiki space for the PMC, I would wait before >> creating it at least until there is a clear evidence that such space is >> really required. >> >> Jacopo >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Sharan, >>> >>> Sorry to seem again out of subject, but you will see where I'm going to. >>> >>> The question we should ask ourselves, is when content/attachments in a >>> page should be only accessible to the PMC. >>> >>> For content we have not problems. Only contributors are able to modify >>> pages contents. Anyway this is not a problem because we (I at least) >>> monitor all changes in the wiki and if I see a change which should not >>> happen we (I) can still restore a correct version from history. As an >>> admin >>> I can even restore a deleted page from the space trash. To be safe, >>> admins >>> should always agree about deleting a page from the space trash, for >>> instance to vacuum when necessary. I noticed both these actions are >>> extremely rare. >>> >>> So far contributors are also able to add and delete news, comments and >>> attachments. We don't use news in the wiki, one issue less. Because it's >>> hard to retrieve comments and attachments, even as an admin (we need to >>> ask >>> infra to look into an ASF wide backup), I suggest we remove the >>> possibility >>> for contributors to delete news, comments and attachments. Then we are >>> safe from all changes and we no longer need a distinction between open >>> and >>> closed wiki :) If nobody disagree I'd do that in few days. >>> >>> BTW while at it I noticed Amit Gadaley had no rights, I gave him the >>> needed. >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> Le 17/08/2016 à 09:25, Sharan Foga a écrit : >>> >>> Hi Jacques >>>> >>>> This is an interesting idea and it might have been good to start a new >>>> thread as it has digressed a little off topic again :-) >>>> >>>> In theory I agree that we do need to do some tidy up and consolidating >>>> into 2 spaces sounds like it could work well. We just need to see how to >>>> merge the data from the existing spaces and also add a good navigation >>>> system so that people can find things easily. >>>> >>>> Back to original topic – I don't think that we can consolidate all the >>>> marketing information into a restricted space mainly because I think we >>>> will need to allow for the ability for any contributor to add new papers >>>> and presentations. As a first step though – we could remove the wiki >>>> page and move the data to the project admin space for now and see how >>>> that >>>> works. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Sharan >>>> >>>> On 2016-08-17 07:41 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Sharan, >>>>> >>>>> I thought about that, and I believe we should not add a new page but >>>>> rather complete the Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing page by using >>>>> what's >>>>> interesting in the General+Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing page >>>>> and >>>>> then drop it. >>>>> >>>>> To answer Taher's message, I believe we face a mess and this remembers >>>>> me http://www.howtomakesenseofanymess.com/ Sharan suggested, I stopped >>>>> at >>>>> http://www.howtomakesenseofanymess.com/chapter/1/page/21/ >>>>> draw-your-mess/ >>>>> >>>>> I think the right attitude when facing a mess, is to CUT in it. >>>>> >>>>> * We need to drop, or at least put a lot of wiki pages in archives. >>>>> * For that we could create a specific OFBiz archive space, not >>>>> linked >>>>> from the other spaces. >>>>> * I also suggest to have only 2 other spaces, one completely open, >>>>> where most pages should be. >>>>> * And one only accessible to PMC (and committers?) where really >>>>> sensible information should be, these last pages should be very rare >>>>> and >>>>> only when >>>>> really needed. >>>>> >>>>> Then we can improve the content of "Documentation" menu-link from >>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/ . Notably >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+ >>>>> Documentation+Index (hint: this is also kinda an answer to Taher) >>>>> >>>>> Trying to improve navigation before cutting in the mess, will have a >>>>> tendency to fail... What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le 16/08/2016 14:58, Jacques Le Roux a crit : >>>>> >>>>> Hi Sharan, >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggested at https://cwiki.apache.org/confl >>>>>> uence/display/OFBADMIN/Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing? >>>>>> focusedCommentId=65865874#comment-65865874 >>>>>> >>>>>> to remove the page below because I tried yesterday to move the images >>>>>> from the page above to the one below. I wanted to merge the 2 pages, a >>>>>> reason >>>>>> I afterwards renamed the page above. Another reason I afterwards >>>>>> renamed the page is because when in Confluence you put special >>>>>> characters, >>>>>> like >>>>>> parenthesis, etc., in the title then you don't get a nice title for >>>>>> the >>>>>> page, but a number :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> But it's hard to *move* attachments in bulk in Confluence. You have to >>>>>> do it one by one :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> So I tried to download them all and upload them back to the page >>>>>> below. >>>>>> But the process failed in the middle. You might also notice that it's >>>>>> hard >>>>>> to *remove* attachments in bulk in Confluence. You have to do it one >>>>>> by >>>>>> one :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> That's why I suggested to put this page in archive (actually deleting >>>>>> it lets it in the space's trash >>>>>> https://confluence.atlassian.com/doc/delete-or-restore-a-pag >>>>>> e-139429.html) and to create a new one. I also tried to watch the >>>>>> Powerpoint there (on >>>>>> WIndows using the the Powerpoint viewer!) but it failed, so there is >>>>>> nothing to keep there! I suggest to drop it and create a brand new >>>>>> page, >>>>>> inspired by the page below, for the ideas you rightly suggested. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 16/08/2016 11:03, Sharan Foga a crit : >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We currently have a page in the wiki that was used initially for >>>>>>> branding and marketing but has now has a lot of broken links. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/General+ >>>>>>> Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The logo files don't need to be on this page as they are all >>>>>>> available >>>>>>> elsewhere. Rather than remove it I suggest that it could be tidied >>>>>>> up and >>>>>>> that the page focus (and name) could be changed to make it into one >>>>>>> that links to OFBiz white papers, OFBIz presentations, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure if we already have something like this or if it covered >>>>>>> as part of OFBiz in the news but I think having this type of material >>>>>>> available could be good for newcomers. What do people think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Sharan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >
