I am not too much concerned about comments being deleted because the value of comments should be transient (if not their content should be embedded in the page). For attachments I see that it would be an issue to loose them... but as far as I remember we had no problems in the past so maybe we could try to leave permissions as they are now. However I don't have a strong opinion on this topic, both ways are ok to me.
Jacopo On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Jacques Le Roux < [email protected]> wrote: > As I explained below "Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM", content is not a > problem because it's still in page history or space trash. The problem is > with comments and attachments, see my previous explanation and question. > > Maybe you implicitly agree about what I suggested about news, comments and > attachment? > > Jacques > > > > Le 17/08/2016 à 17:12, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : > >> My preference is to let contributors to delete content, since this didn't >> cause big problems until now; we may revisit this topic if we will >> experience any problems in the future. >> >> Jacopo >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jacopo, >>> >>> Thanks for the new thread creation. I wanted to relate the previous >>> thread >>> with my suggestion because of, IMO, the needed merge between the 2 >>> "marketing pages". >>> >>> Good idea about keeping the old spaces as archives w/o entering links. >>> >>> With my suggestion I trust no Wiki space for the PMC should be needed, we >>> just need to agree on removing delete permissions for contributors. >>> >>> If a contributor spot a page, a comment or an attachment to be deleted >>> then just by asking for it in a comment should be enough. >>> >>> So far I have not seen much deletion from contributors so it should not >>> be >>> an issue. >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 17/08/2016 à 15:17, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : >>> >>> I am starting a new thread with a new subject in the dev list to discuss >>>> the interesting topic about Wiki space cleanup/refactoring that was >>>> started >>>> by Jacques as an off topic (going off-topic is a bad habit that we >>>> should >>>> try to limit). >>>> >>>> In my opinion we could just have one Wiki space (open to contributors) >>>> and >>>> we could consolidate there all the content that is valuable. We could >>>> keep >>>> the existing spaces as an archive (removing all prominent links to them) >>>> until the new Wiki is completed. >>>> >>>> As regards the separate Wiki space for the PMC, I would wait before >>>> creating it at least until there is a clear evidence that such space is >>>> really required. >>>> >>>> Jacopo >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sharan, >>>> >>>>> Sorry to seem again out of subject, but you will see where I'm going >>>>> to. >>>>> >>>>> The question we should ask ourselves, is when content/attachments in a >>>>> page should be only accessible to the PMC. >>>>> >>>>> For content we have not problems. Only contributors are able to modify >>>>> pages contents. Anyway this is not a problem because we (I at least) >>>>> monitor all changes in the wiki and if I see a change which should not >>>>> happen we (I) can still restore a correct version from history. As an >>>>> admin >>>>> I can even restore a deleted page from the space trash. To be safe, >>>>> admins >>>>> should always agree about deleting a page from the space trash, for >>>>> instance to vacuum when necessary. I noticed both these actions are >>>>> extremely rare. >>>>> >>>>> So far contributors are also able to add and delete news, comments and >>>>> attachments. We don't use news in the wiki, one issue less. Because >>>>> it's >>>>> hard to retrieve comments and attachments, even as an admin (we need to >>>>> ask >>>>> infra to look into an ASF wide backup), I suggest we remove the >>>>> possibility >>>>> for contributors to delete news, comments and attachments. Then we are >>>>> safe from all changes and we no longer need a distinction between open >>>>> and >>>>> closed wiki :) If nobody disagree I'd do that in few days. >>>>> >>>>> BTW while at it I noticed Amit Gadaley had no rights, I gave him the >>>>> needed. >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le 17/08/2016 à 09:25, Sharan Foga a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jacques >>>>> >>>>>> This is an interesting idea and it might have been good to start a new >>>>>> thread as it has digressed a little off topic again :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> In theory I agree that we do need to do some tidy up and consolidating >>>>>> into 2 spaces sounds like it could work well. We just need to see how >>>>>> to >>>>>> merge the data from the existing spaces and also add a good navigation >>>>>> system so that people can find things easily. >>>>>> >>>>>> Back to original topic – I don't think that we can consolidate all >>>>>> the >>>>>> marketing information into a restricted space mainly because I think >>>>>> we >>>>>> will need to allow for the ability for any contributor to add new >>>>>> papers >>>>>> and presentations. As a first step though – we could remove the >>>>>> wiki >>>>>> page and move the data to the project admin space for now and see how >>>>>> that >>>>>> works. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Sharan >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-08-17 07:41 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Sharan, >>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought about that, and I believe we should not add a new page but >>>>>>> rather complete the Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing page by >>>>>>> using >>>>>>> what's >>>>>>> interesting in the General+Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing page >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then drop it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To answer Taher's message, I believe we face a mess and this >>>>>>> remembers >>>>>>> me http://www.howtomakesenseofanymess.com/ Sharan suggested, I >>>>>>> stopped >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> http://www.howtomakesenseofanymess.com/chapter/1/page/21/ >>>>>>> draw-your-mess/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the right attitude when facing a mess, is to CUT in it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * We need to drop, or at least put a lot of wiki pages in >>>>>>> archives. >>>>>>> * For that we could create a specific OFBiz archive space, not >>>>>>> linked >>>>>>> from the other spaces. >>>>>>> * I also suggest to have only 2 other spaces, one completely >>>>>>> open, >>>>>>> where most pages should be. >>>>>>> * And one only accessible to PMC (and committers?) where really >>>>>>> sensible information should be, these last pages should be very rare >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> only when >>>>>>> really needed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then we can improve the content of "Documentation" menu-link from >>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/ . Notably >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+ >>>>>>> Documentation+Index (hint: this is also kinda an answer to Taher) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Trying to improve navigation before cutting in the mess, will have a >>>>>>> tendency to fail... What do you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 16/08/2016 14:58, Jacques Le Roux a crit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Sharan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I suggested at https://cwiki.apache.org/confl >>>>>>>> uence/display/OFBADMIN/Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing? >>>>>>>> focusedCommentId=65865874#comment-65865874 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to remove the page below because I tried yesterday to move the >>>>>>>> images >>>>>>>> from the page above to the one below. I wanted to merge the 2 >>>>>>>> pages, a >>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>> I afterwards renamed the page above. Another reason I afterwards >>>>>>>> renamed the page is because when in Confluence you put special >>>>>>>> characters, >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> parenthesis, etc., in the title then you don't get a nice title for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> page, but a number :/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But it's hard to *move* attachments in bulk in Confluence. You have >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> do it one by one :/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I tried to download them all and upload them back to the page >>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>> But the process failed in the middle. You might also notice that >>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>> to *remove* attachments in bulk in Confluence. You have to do it one >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> one :/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's why I suggested to put this page in archive (actually >>>>>>>> deleting >>>>>>>> it lets it in the space's trash >>>>>>>> https://confluence.atlassian.com/doc/delete-or-restore-a-pag >>>>>>>> e-139429.html) and to create a new one. I also tried to watch the >>>>>>>> Powerpoint there (on >>>>>>>> WIndows using the the Powerpoint viewer!) but it failed, so there is >>>>>>>> nothing to keep there! I suggest to drop it and create a brand new >>>>>>>> page, >>>>>>>> inspired by the page below, for the ideas you rightly suggested. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 16/08/2016 11:03, Sharan Foga a crit : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We currently have a page in the wiki that was used initially for >>>>>>>>> branding and marketing but has now has a lot of broken links. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/General+ >>>>>>>>> Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The logo files don't need to be on this page as they are all >>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>> elsewhere. Rather than remove it I suggest that it could be tidied >>>>>>>>> up and >>>>>>>>> that the page focus (and name) could be changed to make it into one >>>>>>>>> that links to OFBiz white papers, OFBIz presentations, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if we already have something like this or if it >>>>>>>>> covered >>>>>>>>> as part of OFBiz in the news but I think having this type of >>>>>>>>> material >>>>>>>>> available could be good for newcomers. What do people think? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> Sharan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >
