Easy solution (if possible) would be to disable comments altogether. If there's a discussion to be had about a page it can go to the dev list or JIRA without risk of being deleted or creating any conspiracy theories about censorship.
Being able to comment directly on a page is handy, but if we're going to go overboard worrying about comments being deleted/censored then it's better to just do away with them. Regards Scott On 18/08/2016 06:27, "Pierre Smits" <[email protected]> wrote: > You're correct. Not many deletions were done by non privileged > contributors, and as far as I can tell no non-privileged contributor ever > deleted the comment of another contributor. > > Mostly they were done by privileged contributors on non open pages (in the > OFBIZADMIN space, meaning PMC Members). While there is version management > on content, there is no version managment on comments. > > With every deletion of a comment (done by anybody else) made by a PMC > Member a piece of history is gone for ever. And it could be regarded as > censorship. > > Best regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > OFBiz based solutions & services > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Jacques Le Roux < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Jacopo, > > > > Thanks for the new thread creation. I wanted to relate the previous > thread > > with my suggestion because of, IMO, the needed merge between the 2 > > "marketing pages". > > > > Good idea about keeping the old spaces as archives w/o entering links. > > > > With my suggestion I trust no Wiki space for the PMC should be needed, we > > just need to agree on removing delete permissions for contributors. > > > > If a contributor spot a page, a comment or an attachment to be deleted > > then just by asking for it in a comment should be enough. > > > > So far I have not seen much deletion from contributors so it should not > be > > an issue. > > > > Jacques > > > > > > > > Le 17/08/2016 à 15:17, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : > > > >> I am starting a new thread with a new subject in the dev list to discuss > >> the interesting topic about Wiki space cleanup/refactoring that was > >> started > >> by Jacques as an off topic (going off-topic is a bad habit that we > should > >> try to limit). > >> > >> In my opinion we could just have one Wiki space (open to contributors) > and > >> we could consolidate there all the content that is valuable. We could > keep > >> the existing spaces as an archive (removing all prominent links to them) > >> until the new Wiki is completed. > >> > >> As regards the separate Wiki space for the PMC, I would wait before > >> creating it at least until there is a clear evidence that such space is > >> really required. > >> > >> Jacopo > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Jacques Le Roux < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Sharan, > >>> > >>> Sorry to seem again out of subject, but you will see where I'm going > to. > >>> > >>> The question we should ask ourselves, is when content/attachments in a > >>> page should be only accessible to the PMC. > >>> > >>> For content we have not problems. Only contributors are able to modify > >>> pages contents. Anyway this is not a problem because we (I at least) > >>> monitor all changes in the wiki and if I see a change which should not > >>> happen we (I) can still restore a correct version from history. As an > >>> admin > >>> I can even restore a deleted page from the space trash. To be safe, > >>> admins > >>> should always agree about deleting a page from the space trash, for > >>> instance to vacuum when necessary. I noticed both these actions are > >>> extremely rare. > >>> > >>> So far contributors are also able to add and delete news, comments and > >>> attachments. We don't use news in the wiki, one issue less. Because > it's > >>> hard to retrieve comments and attachments, even as an admin (we need to > >>> ask > >>> infra to look into an ASF wide backup), I suggest we remove the > >>> possibility > >>> for contributors to delete news, comments and attachments. Then we are > >>> safe from all changes and we no longer need a distinction between open > >>> and > >>> closed wiki :) If nobody disagree I'd do that in few days. > >>> > >>> BTW while at it I noticed Amit Gadaley had no rights, I gave him the > >>> needed. > >>> > >>> Jacques > >>> > >>> > >>> Le 17/08/2016 à 09:25, Sharan Foga a écrit : > >>> > >>> Hi Jacques > >>>> > >>>> This is an interesting idea and it might have been good to start a new > >>>> thread as it has digressed a little off topic again :-) > >>>> > >>>> In theory I agree that we do need to do some tidy up and consolidating > >>>> into 2 spaces sounds like it could work well. We just need to see how > to > >>>> merge the data from the existing spaces and also add a good navigation > >>>> system so that people can find things easily. > >>>> > >>>> Back to original topic – I don't think that we can consolidate all > the > >>>> marketing information into a restricted space mainly because I think > we > >>>> will need to allow for the ability for any contributor to add new > papers > >>>> and presentations. As a first step though – we could remove the > wiki > >>>> page and move the data to the project admin space for now and see how > >>>> that > >>>> works. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> Sharan > >>>> > >>>> On 2016-08-17 07:41 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux < > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Sharan, > >>>>> > >>>>> I thought about that, and I believe we should not add a new page but > >>>>> rather complete the Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing page by > using > >>>>> what's > >>>>> interesting in the General+Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing page > >>>>> and > >>>>> then drop it. > >>>>> > >>>>> To answer Taher's message, I believe we face a mess and this > remembers > >>>>> me http://www.howtomakesenseofanymess.com/ Sharan suggested, I > stopped > >>>>> at > >>>>> http://www.howtomakesenseofanymess.com/chapter/1/page/21/ > >>>>> draw-your-mess/ > >>>>> > >>>>> I think the right attitude when facing a mess, is to CUT in it. > >>>>> > >>>>> * We need to drop, or at least put a lot of wiki pages in > archives. > >>>>> * For that we could create a specific OFBiz archive space, not > >>>>> linked > >>>>> from the other spaces. > >>>>> * I also suggest to have only 2 other spaces, one completely > open, > >>>>> where most pages should be. > >>>>> * And one only accessible to PMC (and committers?) where really > >>>>> sensible information should be, these last pages should be very rare > >>>>> and > >>>>> only when > >>>>> really needed. > >>>>> > >>>>> Then we can improve the content of "Documentation" menu-link from > >>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/ . Notably > >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+ > >>>>> Documentation+Index (hint: this is also kinda an answer to Taher) > >>>>> > >>>>> Trying to improve navigation before cutting in the mess, will have a > >>>>> tendency to fail... What do you think? > >>>>> > >>>>> Jacques > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Le 16/08/2016 14:58, Jacques Le Roux a crit : > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Sharan, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I suggested at https://cwiki.apache.org/confl > >>>>>> uence/display/OFBADMIN/Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing? > >>>>>> focusedCommentId=65865874#comment-65865874 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> to remove the page below because I tried yesterday to move the > images > >>>>>> from the page above to the one below. I wanted to merge the 2 > pages, a > >>>>>> reason > >>>>>> I afterwards renamed the page above. Another reason I afterwards > >>>>>> renamed the page is because when in Confluence you put special > >>>>>> characters, > >>>>>> like > >>>>>> parenthesis, etc., in the title then you don't get a nice title for > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> page, but a number :/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But it's hard to *move* attachments in bulk in Confluence. You have > to > >>>>>> do it one by one :/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So I tried to download them all and upload them back to the page > >>>>>> below. > >>>>>> But the process failed in the middle. You might also notice that > it's > >>>>>> hard > >>>>>> to *remove* attachments in bulk in Confluence. You have to do it one > >>>>>> by > >>>>>> one :/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That's why I suggested to put this page in archive (actually > deleting > >>>>>> it lets it in the space's trash > >>>>>> https://confluence.atlassian.com/doc/delete-or-restore-a-pag > >>>>>> e-139429.html) and to create a new one. I also tried to watch the > >>>>>> Powerpoint there (on > >>>>>> WIndows using the the Powerpoint viewer!) but it failed, so there is > >>>>>> nothing to keep there! I suggest to drop it and create a brand new > >>>>>> page, > >>>>>> inspired by the page below, for the ideas you rightly suggested. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jacques > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Le 16/08/2016 11:03, Sharan Foga a crit : > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Everyone > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We currently have a page in the wiki that was used initially for > >>>>>>> branding and marketing but has now has a lot of broken links. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/General+ > >>>>>>> Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The logo files don't need to be on this page as they are all > >>>>>>> available > >>>>>>> elsewhere. Rather than remove it I suggest that it could be tidied > >>>>>>> up and > >>>>>>> that the page focus (and name) could be changed to make it into one > >>>>>>> that links to OFBiz white papers, OFBIz presentations, etc. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm not sure if we already have something like this or if it > covered > >>>>>>> as part of OFBiz in the news but I think having this type of > material > >>>>>>> available could be good for newcomers. What do people think? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>> Sharan > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > >
