My preference is to let contributors to delete content, since this didn't cause big problems until now; we may revisit this topic if we will experience any problems in the future.
Jacopo On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Jacques Le Roux < [email protected]> wrote: > Jacopo, > > Thanks for the new thread creation. I wanted to relate the previous thread > with my suggestion because of, IMO, the needed merge between the 2 > "marketing pages". > > Good idea about keeping the old spaces as archives w/o entering links. > > With my suggestion I trust no Wiki space for the PMC should be needed, we > just need to agree on removing delete permissions for contributors. > > If a contributor spot a page, a comment or an attachment to be deleted > then just by asking for it in a comment should be enough. > > So far I have not seen much deletion from contributors so it should not be > an issue. > > Jacques > > > > Le 17/08/2016 à 15:17, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : > >> I am starting a new thread with a new subject in the dev list to discuss >> the interesting topic about Wiki space cleanup/refactoring that was >> started >> by Jacques as an off topic (going off-topic is a bad habit that we should >> try to limit). >> >> In my opinion we could just have one Wiki space (open to contributors) and >> we could consolidate there all the content that is valuable. We could keep >> the existing spaces as an archive (removing all prominent links to them) >> until the new Wiki is completed. >> >> As regards the separate Wiki space for the PMC, I would wait before >> creating it at least until there is a clear evidence that such space is >> really required. >> >> Jacopo >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Sharan, >>> >>> Sorry to seem again out of subject, but you will see where I'm going to. >>> >>> The question we should ask ourselves, is when content/attachments in a >>> page should be only accessible to the PMC. >>> >>> For content we have not problems. Only contributors are able to modify >>> pages contents. Anyway this is not a problem because we (I at least) >>> monitor all changes in the wiki and if I see a change which should not >>> happen we (I) can still restore a correct version from history. As an >>> admin >>> I can even restore a deleted page from the space trash. To be safe, >>> admins >>> should always agree about deleting a page from the space trash, for >>> instance to vacuum when necessary. I noticed both these actions are >>> extremely rare. >>> >>> So far contributors are also able to add and delete news, comments and >>> attachments. We don't use news in the wiki, one issue less. Because it's >>> hard to retrieve comments and attachments, even as an admin (we need to >>> ask >>> infra to look into an ASF wide backup), I suggest we remove the >>> possibility >>> for contributors to delete news, comments and attachments. Then we are >>> safe from all changes and we no longer need a distinction between open >>> and >>> closed wiki :) If nobody disagree I'd do that in few days. >>> >>> BTW while at it I noticed Amit Gadaley had no rights, I gave him the >>> needed. >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> Le 17/08/2016 à 09:25, Sharan Foga a écrit : >>> >>> Hi Jacques >>>> >>>> This is an interesting idea and it might have been good to start a new >>>> thread as it has digressed a little off topic again :-) >>>> >>>> In theory I agree that we do need to do some tidy up and consolidating >>>> into 2 spaces sounds like it could work well. We just need to see how to >>>> merge the data from the existing spaces and also add a good navigation >>>> system so that people can find things easily. >>>> >>>> Back to original topic – I don't think that we can consolidate all the >>>> marketing information into a restricted space mainly because I think we >>>> will need to allow for the ability for any contributor to add new papers >>>> and presentations. As a first step though – we could remove the wiki >>>> page and move the data to the project admin space for now and see how >>>> that >>>> works. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Sharan >>>> >>>> On 2016-08-17 07:41 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Sharan, >>>>> >>>>> I thought about that, and I believe we should not add a new page but >>>>> rather complete the Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing page by using >>>>> what's >>>>> interesting in the General+Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing page >>>>> and >>>>> then drop it. >>>>> >>>>> To answer Taher's message, I believe we face a mess and this remembers >>>>> me http://www.howtomakesenseofanymess.com/ Sharan suggested, I stopped >>>>> at >>>>> http://www.howtomakesenseofanymess.com/chapter/1/page/21/ >>>>> draw-your-mess/ >>>>> >>>>> I think the right attitude when facing a mess, is to CUT in it. >>>>> >>>>> * We need to drop, or at least put a lot of wiki pages in archives. >>>>> * For that we could create a specific OFBiz archive space, not >>>>> linked >>>>> from the other spaces. >>>>> * I also suggest to have only 2 other spaces, one completely open, >>>>> where most pages should be. >>>>> * And one only accessible to PMC (and committers?) where really >>>>> sensible information should be, these last pages should be very rare >>>>> and >>>>> only when >>>>> really needed. >>>>> >>>>> Then we can improve the content of "Documentation" menu-link from >>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/ . Notably >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+ >>>>> Documentation+Index (hint: this is also kinda an answer to Taher) >>>>> >>>>> Trying to improve navigation before cutting in the mess, will have a >>>>> tendency to fail... What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le 16/08/2016 14:58, Jacques Le Roux a crit : >>>>> >>>>> Hi Sharan, >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggested at https://cwiki.apache.org/confl >>>>>> uence/display/OFBADMIN/Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing? >>>>>> focusedCommentId=65865874#comment-65865874 >>>>>> >>>>>> to remove the page below because I tried yesterday to move the images >>>>>> from the page above to the one below. I wanted to merge the 2 pages, a >>>>>> reason >>>>>> I afterwards renamed the page above. Another reason I afterwards >>>>>> renamed the page is because when in Confluence you put special >>>>>> characters, >>>>>> like >>>>>> parenthesis, etc., in the title then you don't get a nice title for >>>>>> the >>>>>> page, but a number :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> But it's hard to *move* attachments in bulk in Confluence. You have to >>>>>> do it one by one :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> So I tried to download them all and upload them back to the page >>>>>> below. >>>>>> But the process failed in the middle. You might also notice that it's >>>>>> hard >>>>>> to *remove* attachments in bulk in Confluence. You have to do it one >>>>>> by >>>>>> one :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> That's why I suggested to put this page in archive (actually deleting >>>>>> it lets it in the space's trash >>>>>> https://confluence.atlassian.com/doc/delete-or-restore-a-pag >>>>>> e-139429.html) and to create a new one. I also tried to watch the >>>>>> Powerpoint there (on >>>>>> WIndows using the the Powerpoint viewer!) but it failed, so there is >>>>>> nothing to keep there! I suggest to drop it and create a brand new >>>>>> page, >>>>>> inspired by the page below, for the ideas you rightly suggested. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 16/08/2016 11:03, Sharan Foga a crit : >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We currently have a page in the wiki that was used initially for >>>>>>> branding and marketing but has now has a lot of broken links. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/General+ >>>>>>> Material+for+Branding+and+Marketing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The logo files don't need to be on this page as they are all >>>>>>> available >>>>>>> elsewhere. Rather than remove it I suggest that it could be tidied >>>>>>> up and >>>>>>> that the page focus (and name) could be changed to make it into one >>>>>>> that links to OFBiz white papers, OFBIz presentations, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure if we already have something like this or if it covered >>>>>>> as part of OFBiz in the news but I think having this type of material >>>>>>> available could be good for newcomers. What do people think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Sharan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >
