see below please. jan.
On 10 November 2012 21:31, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM, jan iversen <jancasacon...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I agree with your thoughts. > > > > Except there is a lot of ocean between those events, I intent to visit > > FOSDEM but being located where I am NA is not a possibility. > > > > I might be wrong, but it seems comparing apples with oranges (a danish > > expression) when you compare FOSDEM and apacheCON. I thought FOSDEM was > > open source in general and apacheCON was solely apache projects ?? > > > > I'm probably the only one who thinks of this in terms of a linear > programming problem.... > > But each event has certain things that it is especially good for, some > stuff which it does passably well, and some stuff that it is not > really good add. The survey questions I posted aim to gauge what > ApacheCon was good for and what it wasn't. You can think of this as > a weighted vector, e.g.: > Please excuse me, but you sound like a IBM fellow who helped me in the 90ties :-) But I do like your way of pinning things to the point. > > | Recruit developers | | 0.3 | > | Learn about Apache | === | 0.7 | > | Advance AOO 4.0 plans | | 0.4 | > > You could do this for other events as well. Each has strengths and > weaknesses. > Question is if you can do it in advance, otherwise it has no relevance for the budget. Do we e.g. have any experience from previous FOSDEM / apacheCON ? > > Then you can think of what our priorities are, which you can also > express as vector. Then you can look at costs, individual and project > wise, for attendance at each event. And then you can ask how to > maximize achievement of goals within given expense targets. > > Now I'm not saying we should actually do this calculation. But I > think it is useful to consider the model and ask these questions: > what are our priorities and what combination of events best helps us > achieve them? > I think your approach is a nice tool help make decisions, but of course not a way to make automated decisions. > > Of course this is a very corporate way of looking at things and I > apologize to anyone who is independently wealthy and has the resources > to attend every event. > Whoever that may be, I think most of us have limited resources in one way or the other, some are limited by having a work, others by funding. Please do not misunderstand my comments, I think you are doing one hell of a job !! > > -Rob > > > Jan. > > > > On 10 November 2012 20:19, Rob Weir <rabas...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Nov 10, 2012, at 11:31 AM, jan iversen <jancasacon...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > Once you get all the answers, will you then publish it (in a > "statistic" > >> > form) ? > >> > >> > >> Let's see how many responses we get. I see it as prompting a > >> discussion on priorities and what we get out of various kinds of > >> events. If numbers help then well have numbers. But this much is > >> certain: many of us will soon will have choices to make, since Fosdem > >> and Apache NA are at nearly the same time. I think feedback from > >> those in the project who attended ACE would be valuable. > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I looked deeply into my pocket for apacheCon, but found it very > >> expensive, > >> > so I would really like to hear if it was worthwhile. > >> > > >> > We have FOSDEM upcomming in europe, and many like me, may be > questioning, > >> > is that how I should spend my money ? > >> > > >> > I think it is very important, that we get the community "floating" and > >> gain > >> > momentum, but has anyone thought about making events that did not cost > >> > 600,- EUR + travel/hotel etc. ?? > >> > > >> > This is just a thought, please do not take it offensive that I as a > >> > newcomer suggest something different , but maybe it is time, we made a > >> > OpenOffice (I do not write AOO on purpose) gathering, where developers > >> can > >> > talk to developers without the overhead of a big conference company > !! > >> > > >> > I used to do participate in such events, which were highly successful, > >> so I > >> > can only recommend it (and would be pleased to help establish such a > >> > non-commercial event). > >> > > >> > Jan. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 10 November 2012 16:58, Rob Weir <rabas...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Ross, this isn't a "what if" survey based on what attendees might > have > >> >> done, but didn't. I'm interesting in their actual experiences. But > >> >> feel free to add a relevant additional question if you feel one is > >> >> missing. > >> >> > >> >> -Rob > >> >> > >> >> On Nov 10, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Ross Gardler < > rgard...@opendirective.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> You missed how useful was it in learning about the ASF > >> >>> > >> >>> The problem is that the answers depend on how one approached the > event. > >> >> If > >> >>> an individual only attended the AOO track then one would not benefit > >> from > >> >>> the community track or other project specific tracks for example. > >> >>> > >> >>> Ross > >> >>> > >> >>> Sent from mobile, forgive terseness and errors > >> >>> On Nov 9, 2012 8:13 PM, "Rob Weir" <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> A few questions for those who attended in Sinsheim from the AOO > >> >>>> project. I'm hoping these answers will help us decide how to > allocate > >> >>>> resources to future events. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On a scale of 1-5, where 1 is lowest and 5 is highest, how > effective > >> >>>> was attending ApacheCon EU to you for each of the following: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> A. Meeting other AOO project members > >> >>>> > >> >>>> B. Gaining new information about AOO from the formal presentations. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> C. Gaining new information about AOO from informal discussions with > >> >>>> project members. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> D. Gaining new AOO users > >> >>>> > >> >>>> E. Recruiting new potential project members > >> >>>> > >> >>>> F. Educating others about AOO > >> >>>> > >> >>>> G. Learning more about other Apache projects > >> >>>> > >> >>>> H. Moving AOO project plans and/or technical decisions forward. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks! > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -Rob > >> >> > >> >
