> On 03 Sep 15, at 09:54, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> On 09/03/2015 08:33 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> "After LibreOffice came out, Oracle released one version of Oracle Open
>> Office before deciding that the project wasn’t worth the effort
>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project/>.
>> It laid off the programmers and gave the code and trademarks to the Apache
>> Software Foundation, under Apache’s liberal open source license."
>> That's one version of events. Another version of events is this.
>> http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder
>> "Shuttleworth has a fairly serious disagreement with how the
>> OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice split came about. He said that Sun made a $100
>> million "gift" to the community when it opened up the OpenOffice code. But
>> a "radical faction" made the lives of the OpenOffice developers "hell" by
>> refusing to contribute code under the Sun agreement. That eventually led to
>> the split, but furthermore led Oracle to finally decide to stop OpenOffice
>> development and lay off 100 employees."
>> That's different from "deciding it was not worth the effort".
>> Why the FUD on a dev list, anyway?
> It's not FUD. It's a link to an article.
> What would be awesome is if someone would write a counterpoint, which is 
> non-confrontational, non-rageful, non-hateful, and non-reactionary, but just 
> calmly presenting the reasons why someone might want to stay on OpenOffice.

Write to the Guardian? I would do it, would love to do it, and clear up issues. 
But I’m one of the *last* people who could do it, as I was so involved in the 
project, from its inception to … now.

Besides, Mark S is not entirely bending history. There was a contingent, led by 
a very talented developer formerly employed by Novell and still associated with 
LibreOffice, who *did* make the lives of the Sun/Hamburg devs—or at least their 
boss, who was also mine—at times unpleasant. And one of the bones of contention 
was Sun’s widely criticised copyright assignment policy, which it did modify 
over the years. But that policy did have real consequences, despite Sun’s 
choosing to deprecate them. Whether the IP policy is the primary cause of the 
ultimate split—that would be a simplification and evaluating it would take more 
words than would stun an ox, if printed. But the policy did little to warm the 
hearts and soothe the nerves of those who felt that for all the license 
asserted, OOo tested the limits of what constituted open source development. 
(In contrast, AOO really is open source de jure and de facto.)

The history of the radical faction, btw is scripted online and accessible via 
the Internet Archives, if one wishes to look for Go-ooo and the blog entries of 
the primary developer working on Go-ooo.
> Refuting the article on this list, where we all already know the story, is a 
> good start, but if you could turn it into an article that's less political, 
> more practical (features, community, timelines, and so on), that would 
> actually help our cause. The person asking the original question doesn't care 
> about politics, hurt feelings, and "radical factions", I guarantee. They want 
> to know which product is better for them, now, and in the long term.

Your last point is the interesting one. These ancient corporate battles and 
community disputations have left a torn legacy that has done exactly what any 
competitor of OOo would want: Divide and Conquer. The user is left uncertain. 
If I were counselling any user, would I point to AOO for its… what? support of 
users? UI? Templates? updates? Please. We’ve sputtered on about an incremental 
release now for over a year and meanwhile, LO is at 5.0.1, which I just 
downloaded. Numbers are arbitrary tokens, they mean little, we all know. But 
they look great.


> Thanks.
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