> On 03 Sep 15, at 12:33, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/03/2015 07:22 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>>> On 03 Sep 15, at 09:54, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2015 08:33 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>>> "After LibreOffice came out, Oracle released one version of
>>>> Oracle Open Office before deciding that the project wasn’t worth
>>>> the effort 
>>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project/>.
> It laid off the programmers and gave the code and trademarks to the Apache
>>>> Software Foundation, under Apache’s liberal open source
>>>> license."
>>>> That's one version of events. Another version of events is this. 
>>>> http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder
>>>> "Shuttleworth has a fairly serious disagreement with how the 
>>>> OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice split came about. He said that Sun
>>>> made a $100 million "gift" to the community when it opened up the
>>>> OpenOffice code. But a "radical faction" made the lives of the
>>>> OpenOffice developers "hell" by refusing to contribute code under
>>>> the Sun agreement. That eventually led to the split, but
>>>> furthermore led Oracle to finally decide to stop OpenOffice 
>>>> development and lay off 100 employees."
>>>> That's different from "deciding it was not worth the effort".
>>>> Why the FUD on a dev list, anyway?
>>> It's not FUD. It's a link to an article.
>>> What would be awesome is if someone would write a counterpoint,
>>> which is non-confrontational, non-rageful, non-hateful, and
>>> non-reactionary, but just calmly presenting the reasons why someone
>>> might want to stay on OpenOffice.
>> Write to the Guardian? I would do it, would love to do it, and clear
>> up issues. But I’m one of the *last* people who could do it, as I was
>> so involved in the project, from its inception to … now.
> I would think this would make you one of the best people to do it!
But I like to believe I’m unbiased, and school myself in ways that hide from 
myself me. And I’ld like to think that letters to the editor, esp. to the 
Guardian, which I rather admire, ought to be impartial. (Note, impartial is not 
the same as unbiased.) I’m partial.

But I also have another problem. This one is a particularly deep one. It has to 
do with the value of AOO for *users* if not *developers*. 

Bluntly: What is the value of AOO to users? What claim do we have over LO to 

I’ve been trying out LO now for some time, comparing it to AOO, looking at its 
UI, seeing what templates, etc. they have that we don’t. Frankly, both our 
ecosystems are wanting. They once were better, they once certainly promised 
more, they now languish. 

But if I’m a naive user, or even a company wanting support, what options do we 
offer? And say that I, as a company, want some special features. What 
extensions outreach do we have? What are we doing to make the community 

My challenges are not coming from a bad mood. It really has to do with looking 
at it from a user’s perspective, from that of someone who just wants to write, 
say, or have a spreadsheet. Once, we had good answers, good promotions. I think 
we still could have these. But perhaps our efforts could be better spent 
devising ways to collaborate with LO and give users the best experience we can 
put together. 

As to the realities of collaboration, including personalities and license? Yes. 
I know. I was wounded by the TdF and felt betrayed; nor do I relish the 
continued journalistic bias against us, nor the etceteras that one could add. 
But I think this rather something to put aside. 

Or do others on this list have a compelling reason to favour AOO over LO *for 
the user*? 

If so, what is it?


PS BTW my own tartly bent version of the world is framed by the question, Who 
benefits from LO, esp. in Linux? A query which could also be sentenced as, 
Besides Ubuntu (Canonical) what other Linux desktop and now enterprise distros 
are there that have anything like the same popularity? RH? Implicitly then, 
collaborating with LO/TDF, putting aside animus, favours those entities. Is 
that a problem? 

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