I concur with everything Tim's said below. As much as I would hate to see this podling retired, its impossible to sustain this project without the original committers around.
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Tim Ellison <[email protected]> wrote: > On 28/02/17 16:36, Josh Elser wrote: > > I would reword the following: > > > > "Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list about retiring > > Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now" > > > > to be something more like > > > > "A discussion on the mailing list resulted in multiple previous > > contributors agreeing with a mentor suggestion to move Pirk towards > > retirement." > > > > Given Tim and Suneel's contributions to the project, I want to hear back > > from them again before moving forward with the retirement steps. As two > > veterans, I would have confidence that they could continue the podling > > if they so desire. > > Apologies for being quiet for the last few weeks. That has been > personal reasons rather than a lack of interest in Pirk. > > I also appreciate the confidence you express that Suneel and I could > continue the podling. > > With the greatest of respect to Suneel, I think that would be very > difficult without the original contributors' participation, as they have > the deep background required to validate any proposed changes. We have > already seen cases where my enthusiastic enhancements have been tempered > by the team's sober reality checks; and this is not the type of system > that can survive rookie errors. I really appreciate the patient > mentoring offered to me by the community. > > If we are destined to loose the full set of initial committers then I > think it is inevitable, and wise, to retire the podling. I signed up as > a mentor because this is a cool technology. While I understand the > reasons, I'll be disappointed to see it disappear from the Apache family. > > Regards, > Tim > > > Thanks, Ellison Anne. > > > > - Josh > > > > Ellison Anne Williams wrote: > >> Any other feedback for the report? It's due tomorrow... Thanks! > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Wilder< > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> I’m in the same boat as Walter—my duties at work have taken up a > greater > >>> portion of my time and I haven’t had the time to contribute to Pirk. > >>> > >>> On 2/27/17, 08:12, "Walter Ray-Dulany"<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Sorry, I've been busy with work, and everything else has fallen > >>> off of > >>> my > >>> plate. > >>> > >>> I don't have time to be involved for the foreseeable future. > >>> > >>> Walter > >>> > >>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Elser<[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > Just wanted to clarify: the Attic is not the right phrasing for > >>> podlings. > >>> > Pirk would just retire from incubation. The following doc > >>> sums this > >>> up. > >>> > > >>> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html > >>> > > >>> > Ellison Anne, I appreciate your candor in this situation. I > >>> am also > >>> rather > >>> > surprised at the radio silence from those who were previously > >>> active > >>> in > >>> > Pirk. Tracy, Christopher, Walter, and Jacob: comments or > >>> opinions? > >>> > > >>> > I would also be curious in hearing what Suneel and Tim have > >>> to say > >>> (with > >>> > the previous DISCUSS in mind). > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Ellison Anne Williams wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> Hi Guys, > >>> >> > >>> >> As per the recent discussion on the mailing list, it seems > >>> that it > >>> may be > >>> >> best to put Pirk in the attic for a while. For varying > >>> reasons, the > >>> >> previous active contributors don't seem to be able to devote > >>> serious > >>> >> cycles > >>> >> to Pirk right now and the Pirk community has not been > >>> growing. I > >>> have > >>> >> drafted the podling report below as such - please let me > >>> know if > >>> think > >>> >> otherwise. The podling report is due on Wednesday, March 1. > >>> >> > >>> >> Thanks- > >>> >> > >>> >> Ellison Anne > >>> >> > >>> >> PirkPirk is a framework for scalable Private Information > >>> Retrieval > >>> >> (PIR).Pirk has been incubating since 2016-06-17. The initial > >>> code > >>> for > >>> >> Pirk wasgranted on 2016-07-11.Three most important issues to > >>> address > >>> >> in the move towards graduation: 1. Grow the community to > >>> establish > >>> >> diversity of background and expertise. 2. Establish a formal > >>> release > >>> >> process and schedule, allowing for dependable release > >>> cycles in > >>> a > >>> >> manner consistent with the Apache development process. > >>> 3. Add > >>> to > >>> >> and improve the Pirk user documentation and examples both on > >>> the > >>> >> website and in the codebaseAny issues that the Incubator PMC > >>> (IPMC) > >>> or > >>> >> ASF Board wish/need to beaware of? Yes. The Pirk community > >>> >> participation and growth has stalled over the last few months. > >>> >> Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list about > >>> retiring > >>> >> Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now.How has the > >>> community > >>> >> developed since the last report? The Pirk community has not > >>> developed > >>> >> since the last report - there have been no new contributors or > >>> >> committers added.How has the project developed since the last > >>> report? > >>> >> The Pirk project has stalled - the existing community has > >>> not been > >>> >> active nor has the community grown.Date of last release: > >>> October 9, > >>> >> 2016When were the last committers or PMC members elected? > Pirk > >>> >> elected two new committers (Tim Ellison and Suneel Marthi, > both > >>> >> mentors) on August 18, 2016. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> >
