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On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Ellison Anne Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, unfortunately, the original contributors seem to have too much on > their plate to meaningfully contribute to Pirk right now. (of course, I am > squarely in that space) If/when that changes, we can always revisit Pirk > and perhaps pull it out of retirement. > > I will go ahead and submit the report as it is due today. > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Suneel Marthi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I concur with everything Tim's said below. As much as I would hate to see >> this podling retired, its impossible to sustain this project without the >> original committers around. >> >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Tim Ellison <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > On 28/02/17 16:36, Josh Elser wrote: >> > > I would reword the following: >> > > >> > > "Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list about retiring >> > > Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now" >> > > >> > > to be something more like >> > > >> > > "A discussion on the mailing list resulted in multiple previous >> > > contributors agreeing with a mentor suggestion to move Pirk towards >> > > retirement." >> > > >> > > Given Tim and Suneel's contributions to the project, I want to hear >> back >> > > from them again before moving forward with the retirement steps. As two >> > > veterans, I would have confidence that they could continue the podling >> > > if they so desire. >> > >> > Apologies for being quiet for the last few weeks. That has been >> > personal reasons rather than a lack of interest in Pirk. >> > >> > I also appreciate the confidence you express that Suneel and I could >> > continue the podling. >> > >> > With the greatest of respect to Suneel, I think that would be very >> > difficult without the original contributors' participation, as they have >> > the deep background required to validate any proposed changes. We have >> > already seen cases where my enthusiastic enhancements have been tempered >> > by the team's sober reality checks; and this is not the type of system >> > that can survive rookie errors. I really appreciate the patient >> > mentoring offered to me by the community. >> > >> > If we are destined to loose the full set of initial committers then I >> > think it is inevitable, and wise, to retire the podling. I signed up as >> > a mentor because this is a cool technology. While I understand the >> > reasons, I'll be disappointed to see it disappear from the Apache family. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Tim >> > >> > > Thanks, Ellison Anne. >> > > >> > > - Josh >> > > >> > > Ellison Anne Williams wrote: >> > >> Any other feedback for the report? It's due tomorrow... Thanks! >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Wilder< >> > >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> I’m in the same boat as Walter—my duties at work have taken up a >> > greater >> > >>> portion of my time and I haven’t had the time to contribute to Pirk. >> > >>> >> > >>> On 2/27/17, 08:12, "Walter Ray-Dulany"<[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> Sorry, I've been busy with work, and everything else has fallen >> > >>> off of >> > >>> my >> > >>> plate. >> > >>> >> > >>> I don't have time to be involved for the foreseeable future. >> > >>> >> > >>> Walter >> > >>> >> > >>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Elser<[email protected]> >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> > Just wanted to clarify: the Attic is not the right phrasing >> for >> > >>> podlings. >> > >>> > Pirk would just retire from incubation. The following doc >> > >>> sums this >> > >>> up. >> > >>> > >> > >>> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Ellison Anne, I appreciate your candor in this situation. I >> > >>> am also >> > >>> rather >> > >>> > surprised at the radio silence from those who were previously >> > >>> active >> > >>> in >> > >>> > Pirk. Tracy, Christopher, Walter, and Jacob: comments or >> > >>> opinions? >> > >>> > >> > >>> > I would also be curious in hearing what Suneel and Tim have >> > >>> to say >> > >>> (with >> > >>> > the previous DISCUSS in mind). >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Ellison Anne Williams wrote: >> > >>> > >> > >>> >> Hi Guys, >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> As per the recent discussion on the mailing list, it seems >> > >>> that it >> > >>> may be >> > >>> >> best to put Pirk in the attic for a while. For varying >> > >>> reasons, the >> > >>> >> previous active contributors don't seem to be able to devote >> > >>> serious >> > >>> >> cycles >> > >>> >> to Pirk right now and the Pirk community has not been >> > >>> growing. I >> > >>> have >> > >>> >> drafted the podling report below as such - please let me >> > >>> know if >> > >>> think >> > >>> >> otherwise. The podling report is due on Wednesday, March 1. >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Thanks- >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Ellison Anne >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> PirkPirk is a framework for scalable Private Information >> > >>> Retrieval >> > >>> >> (PIR).Pirk has been incubating since 2016-06-17. The initial >> > >>> code >> > >>> for >> > >>> >> Pirk wasgranted on 2016-07-11.Three most important issues to >> > >>> address >> > >>> >> in the move towards graduation: 1. Grow the community to >> > >>> establish >> > >>> >> diversity of background and expertise. 2. Establish a >> formal >> > >>> release >> > >>> >> process and schedule, allowing for dependable release >> > >>> cycles in >> > >>> a >> > >>> >> manner consistent with the Apache development process. >> > >>> 3. Add >> > >>> to >> > >>> >> and improve the Pirk user documentation and examples both on >> > >>> the >> > >>> >> website and in the codebaseAny issues that the Incubator PMC >> > >>> (IPMC) >> > >>> or >> > >>> >> ASF Board wish/need to beaware of? Yes. The Pirk community >> > >>> >> participation and growth has stalled over the last few >> months. >> > >>> >> Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list >> about >> > >>> retiring >> > >>> >> Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now.How has the >> > >>> community >> > >>> >> developed since the last report? The Pirk community has not >> > >>> developed >> > >>> >> since the last report - there have been no new contributors >> or >> > >>> >> committers added.How has the project developed since the >> last >> > >>> report? >> > >>> >> The Pirk project has stalled - the existing community has >> > >>> not been >> > >>> >> active nor has the community grown.Date of last release: >> > >>> October 9, >> > >>> >> 2016When were the last committers or PMC members elected? >> > Pirk >> > >>> >> elected two new committers (Tim Ellison and Suneel Marthi, >> > both >> > >>> >> mentors) on August 18, 2016. >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >>
