Yes, unfortunately, the original contributors seem to have too much on their plate to meaningfully contribute to Pirk right now. (of course, I am squarely in that space) If/when that changes, we can always revisit Pirk and perhaps pull it out of retirement.
I will go ahead and submit the report as it is due today. On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Suneel Marthi <[email protected]> wrote: > I concur with everything Tim's said below. As much as I would hate to see > this podling retired, its impossible to sustain this project without the > original committers around. > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Tim Ellison <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 28/02/17 16:36, Josh Elser wrote: > > > I would reword the following: > > > > > > "Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list about retiring > > > Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now" > > > > > > to be something more like > > > > > > "A discussion on the mailing list resulted in multiple previous > > > contributors agreeing with a mentor suggestion to move Pirk towards > > > retirement." > > > > > > Given Tim and Suneel's contributions to the project, I want to hear > back > > > from them again before moving forward with the retirement steps. As two > > > veterans, I would have confidence that they could continue the podling > > > if they so desire. > > > > Apologies for being quiet for the last few weeks. That has been > > personal reasons rather than a lack of interest in Pirk. > > > > I also appreciate the confidence you express that Suneel and I could > > continue the podling. > > > > With the greatest of respect to Suneel, I think that would be very > > difficult without the original contributors' participation, as they have > > the deep background required to validate any proposed changes. We have > > already seen cases where my enthusiastic enhancements have been tempered > > by the team's sober reality checks; and this is not the type of system > > that can survive rookie errors. I really appreciate the patient > > mentoring offered to me by the community. > > > > If we are destined to loose the full set of initial committers then I > > think it is inevitable, and wise, to retire the podling. I signed up as > > a mentor because this is a cool technology. While I understand the > > reasons, I'll be disappointed to see it disappear from the Apache family. > > > > Regards, > > Tim > > > > > Thanks, Ellison Anne. > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > Ellison Anne Williams wrote: > > >> Any other feedback for the report? It's due tomorrow... Thanks! > > >> > > >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Wilder< > > >> [email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> I’m in the same boat as Walter—my duties at work have taken up a > > greater > > >>> portion of my time and I haven’t had the time to contribute to Pirk. > > >>> > > >>> On 2/27/17, 08:12, "Walter Ray-Dulany"<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Sorry, I've been busy with work, and everything else has fallen > > >>> off of > > >>> my > > >>> plate. > > >>> > > >>> I don't have time to be involved for the foreseeable future. > > >>> > > >>> Walter > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Elser<[email protected]> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > Just wanted to clarify: the Attic is not the right phrasing > for > > >>> podlings. > > >>> > Pirk would just retire from incubation. The following doc > > >>> sums this > > >>> up. > > >>> > > > >>> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html > > >>> > > > >>> > Ellison Anne, I appreciate your candor in this situation. I > > >>> am also > > >>> rather > > >>> > surprised at the radio silence from those who were previously > > >>> active > > >>> in > > >>> > Pirk. Tracy, Christopher, Walter, and Jacob: comments or > > >>> opinions? > > >>> > > > >>> > I would also be curious in hearing what Suneel and Tim have > > >>> to say > > >>> (with > > >>> > the previous DISCUSS in mind). > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > Ellison Anne Williams wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> >> Hi Guys, > > >>> >> > > >>> >> As per the recent discussion on the mailing list, it seems > > >>> that it > > >>> may be > > >>> >> best to put Pirk in the attic for a while. For varying > > >>> reasons, the > > >>> >> previous active contributors don't seem to be able to devote > > >>> serious > > >>> >> cycles > > >>> >> to Pirk right now and the Pirk community has not been > > >>> growing. I > > >>> have > > >>> >> drafted the podling report below as such - please let me > > >>> know if > > >>> think > > >>> >> otherwise. The podling report is due on Wednesday, March 1. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Thanks- > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Ellison Anne > > >>> >> > > >>> >> PirkPirk is a framework for scalable Private Information > > >>> Retrieval > > >>> >> (PIR).Pirk has been incubating since 2016-06-17. The initial > > >>> code > > >>> for > > >>> >> Pirk wasgranted on 2016-07-11.Three most important issues to > > >>> address > > >>> >> in the move towards graduation: 1. Grow the community to > > >>> establish > > >>> >> diversity of background and expertise. 2. Establish a > formal > > >>> release > > >>> >> process and schedule, allowing for dependable release > > >>> cycles in > > >>> a > > >>> >> manner consistent with the Apache development process. > > >>> 3. Add > > >>> to > > >>> >> and improve the Pirk user documentation and examples both on > > >>> the > > >>> >> website and in the codebaseAny issues that the Incubator PMC > > >>> (IPMC) > > >>> or > > >>> >> ASF Board wish/need to beaware of? Yes. The Pirk community > > >>> >> participation and growth has stalled over the last few > months. > > >>> >> Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list > about > > >>> retiring > > >>> >> Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now.How has the > > >>> community > > >>> >> developed since the last report? The Pirk community has not > > >>> developed > > >>> >> since the last report - there have been no new contributors > or > > >>> >> committers added.How has the project developed since the > last > > >>> report? > > >>> >> The Pirk project has stalled - the existing community has > > >>> not been > > >>> >> active nor has the community grown.Date of last release: > > >>> October 9, > > >>> >> 2016When were the last committers or PMC members elected? > > Pirk > > >>> >> elected two new committers (Tim Ellison and Suneel Marthi, > > both > > >>> >> mentors) on August 18, 2016. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >
