Ok - can someone with wiki write access please post the report (the draft is in this email chain)? I can't seem to get into the wiki (ugh)...
Thanks! On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Joe Witt <[email protected]> wrote: > +1 > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Ellison Anne Williams > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, unfortunately, the original contributors seem to have too much on > > their plate to meaningfully contribute to Pirk right now. (of course, I > am > > squarely in that space) If/when that changes, we can always revisit Pirk > > and perhaps pull it out of retirement. > > > > I will go ahead and submit the report as it is due today. > > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Suneel Marthi <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> I concur with everything Tim's said below. As much as I would hate to > see > >> this podling retired, its impossible to sustain this project without the > >> original committers around. > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Tim Ellison <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > On 28/02/17 16:36, Josh Elser wrote: > >> > > I would reword the following: > >> > > > >> > > "Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list about > retiring > >> > > Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now" > >> > > > >> > > to be something more like > >> > > > >> > > "A discussion on the mailing list resulted in multiple previous > >> > > contributors agreeing with a mentor suggestion to move Pirk towards > >> > > retirement." > >> > > > >> > > Given Tim and Suneel's contributions to the project, I want to hear > >> back > >> > > from them again before moving forward with the retirement steps. As > two > >> > > veterans, I would have confidence that they could continue the > podling > >> > > if they so desire. > >> > > >> > Apologies for being quiet for the last few weeks. That has been > >> > personal reasons rather than a lack of interest in Pirk. > >> > > >> > I also appreciate the confidence you express that Suneel and I could > >> > continue the podling. > >> > > >> > With the greatest of respect to Suneel, I think that would be very > >> > difficult without the original contributors' participation, as they > have > >> > the deep background required to validate any proposed changes. We > have > >> > already seen cases where my enthusiastic enhancements have been > tempered > >> > by the team's sober reality checks; and this is not the type of system > >> > that can survive rookie errors. I really appreciate the patient > >> > mentoring offered to me by the community. > >> > > >> > If we are destined to loose the full set of initial committers then I > >> > think it is inevitable, and wise, to retire the podling. I signed up > as > >> > a mentor because this is a cool technology. While I understand the > >> > reasons, I'll be disappointed to see it disappear from the Apache > family. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Tim > >> > > >> > > Thanks, Ellison Anne. > >> > > > >> > > - Josh > >> > > > >> > > Ellison Anne Williams wrote: > >> > >> Any other feedback for the report? It's due tomorrow... Thanks! > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Wilder< > >> > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> I’m in the same boat as Walter—my duties at work have taken up a > >> > greater > >> > >>> portion of my time and I haven’t had the time to contribute to > Pirk. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> On 2/27/17, 08:12, "Walter Ray-Dulany"<[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Sorry, I've been busy with work, and everything else has > fallen > >> > >>> off of > >> > >>> my > >> > >>> plate. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I don't have time to be involved for the foreseeable future. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Walter > >> > >>> > >> > >>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Elser< > [email protected]> > >> > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Just wanted to clarify: the Attic is not the right > phrasing > >> for > >> > >>> podlings. > >> > >>> > Pirk would just retire from incubation. The following doc > >> > >>> sums this > >> > >>> up. > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > Ellison Anne, I appreciate your candor in this situation. > I > >> > >>> am also > >> > >>> rather > >> > >>> > surprised at the radio silence from those who were > previously > >> > >>> active > >> > >>> in > >> > >>> > Pirk. Tracy, Christopher, Walter, and Jacob: comments or > >> > >>> opinions? > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > I would also be curious in hearing what Suneel and Tim > have > >> > >>> to say > >> > >>> (with > >> > >>> > the previous DISCUSS in mind). > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > Ellison Anne Williams wrote: > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> >> Hi Guys, > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> As per the recent discussion on the mailing list, it > seems > >> > >>> that it > >> > >>> may be > >> > >>> >> best to put Pirk in the attic for a while. For varying > >> > >>> reasons, the > >> > >>> >> previous active contributors don't seem to be able to > devote > >> > >>> serious > >> > >>> >> cycles > >> > >>> >> to Pirk right now and the Pirk community has not been > >> > >>> growing. I > >> > >>> have > >> > >>> >> drafted the podling report below as such - please let me > >> > >>> know if > >> > >>> think > >> > >>> >> otherwise. The podling report is due on Wednesday, March > 1. > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Thanks- > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Ellison Anne > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> PirkPirk is a framework for scalable Private Information > >> > >>> Retrieval > >> > >>> >> (PIR).Pirk has been incubating since 2016-06-17. The > initial > >> > >>> code > >> > >>> for > >> > >>> >> Pirk wasgranted on 2016-07-11.Three most important > issues to > >> > >>> address > >> > >>> >> in the move towards graduation: 1. Grow the community to > >> > >>> establish > >> > >>> >> diversity of background and expertise. 2. Establish a > >> formal > >> > >>> release > >> > >>> >> process and schedule, allowing for dependable release > >> > >>> cycles in > >> > >>> a > >> > >>> >> manner consistent with the Apache development > process. > >> > >>> 3. Add > >> > >>> to > >> > >>> >> and improve the Pirk user documentation and examples > both on > >> > >>> the > >> > >>> >> website and in the codebaseAny issues that the Incubator > PMC > >> > >>> (IPMC) > >> > >>> or > >> > >>> >> ASF Board wish/need to beaware of? Yes. The Pirk > community > >> > >>> >> participation and growth has stalled over the last few > >> months. > >> > >>> >> Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list > >> about > >> > >>> retiring > >> > >>> >> Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now.How has the > >> > >>> community > >> > >>> >> developed since the last report? The Pirk community has > not > >> > >>> developed > >> > >>> >> since the last report - there have been no new > contributors > >> or > >> > >>> >> committers added.How has the project developed since the > >> last > >> > >>> report? > >> > >>> >> The Pirk project has stalled - the existing community has > >> > >>> not been > >> > >>> >> active nor has the community grown.Date of last release: > >> > >>> October 9, > >> > >>> >> 2016When were the last committers or PMC members elected? > >> > Pirk > >> > >>> >> elected two new committers (Tim Ellison and Suneel > Marthi, > >> > both > >> > >>> >> mentors) on August 18, 2016. > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > >> >
