Hi Carlos,

I definitely appreciate the work you are doing. I’m swamped with work right 
now, so I don’t have the time to spend helping you. (Sorry about that.) :-(

I think the discussions here are about pretty minor points. You can certainly 
implement jewel how you think makes sense, but if you want to make changes to 
basic in areas which are not broken, there needs to be a really good reason to 
do so.

My $0.02,
Harbs
> On Mar 13, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Piotr,
> 
> thanks for your words, but is difficult to work on something when you
> believe in your vision and others no, and more over when all the facts you
> see corroborates that vision. It's difficult to maintain live the moto in
> that scenario.
> 
> but anyway for you Kindly words
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
> 2018-03-13 12:21 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>:
> 
>> Carlos,
>> 
>> In my opinion you are not facing the wall from US. You are facing the wall
>> from lack of volounteers who can help, do the job.
>> Believe me your Jewel effort in my list of tasks is almost on the Top. I
>> have to fiinish planned work in TranspiledActionScript first and I hope to
>> join.
>> 
>> When it will be - maybe in couple of weeks. In the end something have to
>> pay the bills and Royale is only fraction of that.
>> 
>> I contribute in other related areas. I Wish I could contribute in your way
>> or Alex and Peter.
>> 
>> Thanks for your work!
>> Piotr
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 12:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I personally said - Go and try, report back. I have gave you an real
>> world
>>> examples where classList failed. Try and post the results.
>>> 
>>> 2018-03-13 11:49 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> it's very hard to me to invest lot of time both in tryin to develop
>>>> something useful in the look and feel field for us where no other is
>> doing
>>>> work, trying to explain and discuss all issues I find without get any
>>>> traction. It's like to face a wall all the time.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe I'm wrong with my proposals but other times my perception is that
>>>> things are settled in a particular way
>>>> and we don't want to change it since is working in the current state.
>> But
>>>> I
>>>> think we always where thinking of change things as we evolve Royale.
>> We're
>>>> in a 0.9.2 release, we're not in 1.0, but the way we're managing all
>>>> issues
>>>> seems to
>>>> me that we're fine with what we have now and we are freezing the API.
>>>> 
>>>> In all the issues raised last days only CSS compiler errors are real
>> bugs,
>>>> since without that fixes royale can't output concrete CSS rules (I think
>>>> those not require any discussion)
>>>> 
>>>> The font injection is maybe another bug (don't know why a class in a
>> theme
>>>> is not "visible" by the final app), but can be workarounded with an html
>>>> that setup the font for now.
>>>> 
>>>> Things like classNames discussion are not critical (I know), it's just a
>>>> matter to refine the API since I had problems each time I go that path,
>>>> first with MDL and now with Jewel. Maybe I'm the only one since no other
>>>> has tried what I'm trying to do: Creating Themes.
>>>> 
>>>> In my opinion, give the users only a way to manage classNames vía
>> string,
>>>> is insufficient and cumbersome and deserves at a minimun some API
>> methods
>>>> since is an important point in how UI is stylized, and how controls and
>>>> objects in html can be "extended" or diferenciated (Alex explained very
>>>> well the importance of this in the typenames thread). So some API to
>> ease
>>>> that is for me very Wellcome since I'm doing that work, and will be more
>>>> users doing that work. In this point, I don't think we should shield us
>> in
>>>> things like PAYG or if that is a bit less performant.
>>>> 
>>>> To close and avoid having much discussion to not reach to some valuable
>>>> point:  I can try to go with what we have, but makes me feel not so good
>>>> about the continuous rejection of my proposals. As well, you are saying
>>>> that we should wait to what users demand...but I'm an user of the API,
>> and
>>>> my perception as a "zero user" seems to be not valuable. Since I don't
>> get
>>>> traction on this, I'll try to continue with what we have and report back
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2018-03-13 9:24 GMT+01:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>>> +1.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am so sad and frustrated that we have spent so much time on
>>>> managing a
>>>>>> set of strings.  I just don't think we have the people power to
>>>> continue
>>>>>> to seek perfection until it is truly needed by a user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>> 
>>> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
>>> <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira

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